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  1. Skate

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    Question
    Should we limit & confine the 'Dump it here' thread to trading topics only?

    Random ideas
    Okay, let me post something off topic & let me know if its too much.

    Why ?
    It appears to me trading topics on the "Aussie Stock Forum" is not in vogue at the moment

    @tech/a made a post about what does it all mean "being us" so lets post about being us & how we are conditioned to believe & relate it to one of our strongest beliefs religion & God. (capital 'G' for the respect of others)

    Skate.
     
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  2. Skate

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    Apologies to some who find this topic a taboo subject (@tech/a made me do it)
    The meaning of life, is there a reason ?

    We are taught to believe
    Why are we taught to believe in things when it appears to me to be none. From birth we are conditioned to believe in a god, love a god, fear a god, envision a god, pray to a god and assume prayers would be answered.

    Sacrifices

    We create rituals to worship a god & if we worship him hard enough, make sacrifices of some sort, acknowledge that we are highly imperfect and thank him profusely (whether or not he grants our wishes) our lives will be much better than those who don't.

    Die and kill
    We will even die and kill for that god & for most believers it’s extraordinarily difficult to have an alternative view and depart from those beliefs, even if and when you are so inclined.

    Why so ?
    Human minds generate religious beliefs that are a specific type of beliefs, and why our minds are prone to accept and spread them. In the past when we didn’t understand something we attributed a god to it.

    Too much ?

    Skate.
     
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  3. tech/a

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    I think so .
    I fear that if we stray the importance of this thread will be lost.

    My apologies.

    Quickly my answer--one that I like.

    Past and Future is of little consequence.
    We are in the now beings what matters is right now.
    Net everything experienced and learned equates to
    and being equipped and existing in the now.

    We are only relevant NOW.

    I started a thread years ago--Is there a GOD.
     
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  4. Skate

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    And "remembered by two generations only" (ever thought of that)

    Skate.
     
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    Thought this was interesting, how would you know if you were playing against a greater opponent than yourself, they keep you believing that your were winning, but really was just greater at the manipulation game than yourself.

    A wise man when faced with a master manipulator will play the same game and never let on, that he/she knows that you are playing mind games and lead you to believe that you are in full control, when actually they are.

    So while I agree 90% of the time, you can draw a conclusion of win/lose, 10% or less of the time it is impossible for you to determine.
     
  6. Joe Blow

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    All non-trading/investing posts can be split off into a new thread at any time. There could easily be two separate Dump it Here threads with different titles and purposes.
     
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  7. Skate

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    Answer
    You can't bullsh!t a bullsh!tter

    Skate.
     
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    Skate, what does controlling a conversation mean and what benefit is there in that? Thanks.
     
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  9. satanoperca

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    Oh, yes you can.
    There is always a difference between the 2 bulls--ters, if the skill level is wide enough, one b--ster will have it over the other. That is is essence of manipulation, I have seen this just a few times in my life, where 2 parties communicate, both walking away thinking they have control or manipulated the events/conversation, however one party has clearly gained or won over the other.

    The art of sales is part of this.
     
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  10. Skate

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    Sorry @Joe Blow, trading is not the flavour of the month & the education for beginner has died a natural death, whereas I raised alternatives interests so other members may post, gravitating them back to trading.

    Talk on any topic other than "trading education" the thread floods with posters, talk about trading the thread dies in a heap.

    Skate.
     
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    I understand. It may be something worth considering at some point anyway, if only for the sake of organisation. I'm happy to assist at any time if you decide to go down that road.
     
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  12. Skate

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    Gringotts Bank, a simple answer to a simple question "To make the conversation more interesting for myself & others"

    I shouldn't have to repeat myself (it's all in the thread)
    "Life is like a dogsled team. If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes"

    Station placing
    Station placing is where I get others to say things that they wouldn't normally say. (I want/need people to open up)

    Skate.
     
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    It's frustrating when you talk on a subject others have little understanding of. This thread had one purpose, others wanted to morph into something different.

    Skate.
     
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    I get it.

    How do you feel about small talk? Say you're at a party and the topic is pleasant but fairly bland - can you enjoy that? Or do you have to steer things into deeper waters?
     
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    It's not a test! I used to find small talk difficult. I used to think of it as an irritating waste of time. But I found there's a way to enjoy it.
     
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    As you have raised the topic of "The art of sales is part of this" let me respond.

    I'm trying not to being rude
    In a few words I'm not going to convince you that your post lacks an understanding of what I posted. When conditioning we have a large range of tools available to us, words, tones, expressions, body language, asking the right question at the right time whether they be open or closed questions, getting an agreement along the way, cementing a verbal contract along they way, at all times making sure they understand the terms & conditions allowing them to make a favourable decision in the course of the conversation.

    The customer
    On the other hand the customer feels that everything is alright, they will be is relaxed, comfortable, have that nice feeling of contentment, they have absolutely no understanding what just transpired & never will, they feel they have enjoyed a pleasant conversation & had a wonderful buying experience (anything other than that, you "LOSE")

    Respectful
    Thanks for expressive your view in a respectful manner & from your perspective. I quoted an expression (You can't bullsh!t a bullsh!tter) to give you a better understanding in simple terms you maybe able relate to about conditioning & controlling a conversation.

    Off on a tangent
    But no, you went off on a tangent without thinking, you quickly reacted, you didn't responded to the topic of conditioning, you trotted out the example of your understanding a Bullsh!ter without thinking about my post to better understand it, you needed time to understand the post on a deeper level. Answering these types of questions I find frustrating personally. (no reflection on you, your just the norm, it's typical)

    Why frustrating
    It's frustrating when you talk on a subject others have little understanding of, others wanted to morph the conversation into something different.

    From my perspective
    I was a Sales trainer in a previous life (all this has been posted in this thread previously) I trained sales trainers in the art & science that goes behind scene. I turn "sales people" into "Sales Professionals"

    Most sales people don't even know what motivates someone to buy, they don't even understand what they sell.

    If you are in Sales, read my posts you might learn something. (this post is off topic & now completed)

    Skate.
     
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  17. Skate

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    No !

    I'm the driver
    I drive the conversation to get to where I want to be, it's a two way street, meaning others need to feel the conversation is interesting, engaging whilst at all times making sure they enjoy a decent refreshing conversation for once in their life. (it's entertaining for us both, but in much different ways)

    Skate.
     
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    What happens when the other person is not interested in your interests?
     
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    WOW.
    I respectively, disagree with your response, you obviously don't want others to discuss and hence get a better understanding of what you have written, I will just go back to being the norm.

    Been an interesting read at least.
     
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  20. Skate

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    Re-posting (with highlights)
    "What happens when the other person is not interested in your interests?"
    No, you don't understand we talk about them & their interests, people love to talk about themselves, see the posts below.

    When you talk
    When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know.
    But if you listen, you may learn something new.

    Time wasting
    Talking about stupid crap just wastes everyone's time, others just love to listen to their own voice.

    Interesting people
    We have all met interesting people, we hang on their every word, we find what they say interesting & stimulating. When you meet someone you find interesting or different that's when a real conversation starts.

    Gringotts Bank, this topic is now closed, not because it's not interesting but its off topic.

    Skate.
     
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