BLM spread caused Melbourne COVID-19 clusters

[moXJO]

If you have nothing other than your personal opinion to back up your comments, they really have no merit.
The BLM protester known to test positive wore a mask. No further infections are traceable to him.
If you wear a mask it is nearly impossible to spread droplets or produce an aerosol effect.
If your argument has legs then the AFL crowd last night at Optus stadium falls into the same camp as the BLM protests, except that we know a large number at BLM protests did wear masks.

Why are you calling for a lockdown in the other thread then?
Why not just call for everyone to wear masks?

Your argument swings with ideological positions.

Any group getting together carries a risk at this time. To say otherwise is irresponsible. I was at a rally and there were little in the way of mask or distancing.

 

[rederob]

Back at you: external links showing your personal opinions lack merit have nothing to do with what I think.
The timing of them taking place. There were no crowds permitted at sporting events back during the initial lockdown. The protestign BLM crowds didn't have the same protocols in place as those for the sporting events.

They wouldn't be justified in Victoria at this time. That's why teams and their families are migrating to Queensland. Maybe we will revert back to another lockdown or a level-4 one, mask-wearing and all.

First, you have offered nothing to back your claims, whereas I did.
Second, I asked about the logic of large sporting crowds today, and what makes them different from the BLM protests. At the time of BLM protests there was negligible community transmission. That's the case today, as well (except for Victoria and embers in NSW). However, spectators now attending sports events by and large will not be wearing masks, although a large proportion at BLM protests did.
The practical difference now is that in WA and QLD we have evidence that community transmission has been contained. We do not, however, know for certain that there is currently nobody in either State carrying the virus.

None of the above detracts from the fact that this thread is based on fabrication.

 

[rederob]

Why are you calling for a lockdown in the other thread then?

I have said that lockdowns are a proven successful containment strategy.
Wearing masks is a mitigation strategy.
What do these points have to do with "ideology?"

 

[hja]

First, you have offered nothing to back your claims, whereas I did.
Second, I asked about the logic of large sporting crowds today, and what makes them different from the BLM protests. At the time of BLM protests there was negligible community transmission. That's the case today, as well (except for Victoria and embers in NSW). However, spectators now attending sports events by and large will not be wearing masks, although a large proportion at BLM protests did.
The practical difference now is that in WA and QLD we have evidence that community transmission has been contained. We do not, however, know for certain that there is currently nobody in either State carrying the virus.

None of the above detracts from the fact that this thread is based on fabrication.

There are no claims. It's known that mask-wearing is only one aspect. The authorities also look at isolating/distancing, crowd control protocols and other measures.

I already answered you: the timing. There is no current ovbious or known outbreak in WA or QLD.

Your problem is your too haughty and fixated on one idea like masks and different ideas that you dismiss as "fabrications."

 

[rederob]

There are no claims.

Re-read what you posted.

I already answered you: the timing. There is no current ovbious or known outbreak in WA or QLD.

And there were none when BLM protests were occurring.

Your problem is your too haughty and fixated on one idea like masks and different ideas that you dismiss as "fabrications."

I clearly said this thread is based on fake news.
You and several others have not shown otherwise and, however, seem to want to raise incidental issues.

 

[hja]

Re-read what you posted.
And there were none when BLM protests were occurring.
I clearly said this thread is based on fake news.
You and several others have not shown otherwise and, however, seem to want to raise incidental issues.

You don't know that for a fact re BLM rally. No one really knows despite testing.

Maybe it's fake news; that doesn't detract from the point that wherever there are assembled crowds, there are risks whether masks are worn or not.You're the one fixated on masks.

Well obivuosly the thread took a turn and we're not just talking about what piqued your interest. You don't have to be so obstinate and arrogant about every point.

 

[rederob]

You don't know that for a fact re BLM rally. No one really knows despite testing.

If it was "obvious" then we would know!

Maybe it's fake news; that doesn't detract from the point that wherever there are assembled crowds, there are risks whether masks are worn or not.You're the one fixated on masks.

That is the very point I made regarding the logic relating to crowds, except that unlike you I have evidenced the role of masks in mitigating spread.

 

[hja]

If it was "obvious" then we would know!
That is the very point I made regarding the logic relating to crowds, except that unlike you I have evidenced the role of masks in mitigating spread.

Again, it's about probabilities or likelihoods. Like Sprawler depicted above iwth the match-carrying firebug example above. I'm not claiming where every infection comes from or arguing against masks.

So what's you problem then?

 

[sptrawler]

Well we might get another test of the theory next week, another BLM protest rally is scheduled for Sydney.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...-black-lives-matter-protest-in-court/12474464

I wonder if masks will be compulsory, some think they aren't effective, so maybe lots won't?

 

[IFocus]

Well we might get another test of the theory next week, another BLM protest rally is scheduled for Sydney.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...-black-lives-matter-protest-in-court/12474464

I wonder if masks will be compulsory, some think they aren't effective, so maybe lots won't?

I dont think its worth it regardless how safe they make it. Seen here how people will beat up and fake accusations if an out break occurs which defeats the purpose of the protest.

Having said that don't know how they can draw attention to the issue (deaths in custody) other wise.

 

[SirRumpole]

I dont think its worth it regardless how safe they make it. Seen here how people will beat up and fake accusations if an out break occurs which defeats the purpose of the protest.

Having said that don't know how they can draw attention to the issue (deaths in custody) other wise.

It's been all over the media (ABC at least), and there have been inquiries into it, but I'm not sure that the majority of people regard it as high on their priority list.

Protesting that causes inconvenience or the possibility of the spread of disease are not likely to be favorably looked on by most people.

 

[sptrawler]

I dont think its worth it regardless how safe they make it. Seen here how people will beat up and fake accusations if an out break occurs which defeats the purpose of the protest.

Having said that don't know how they can draw attention to the issue (deaths in custody) other wise.

I think the real issue with indigenous, isn't so much deaths in custody, but why so many are in custody. That is what really needs working out and has been the problem for a very long time.

 

[IFocus]

I think the real issue with indigenous, isn't so much deaths in custody, but why so many are in custody. That is what really needs working out and has been the problem for a very long time.

Plenty of debate around laws such as jail for unpaid fines / drunkenness etc that bring indigenous in contact with the police and death in custody.

The result being more expensive than the fine still I don't know what the answer is.

Of course if some one could solve the social issues...........

 

[UMike]

External links showing your personal opinions lack merit have nothing to do with what I think.
You seem to have overlooked the basic fact that we know that asymptomatic spread occurs.
Try following your logic to justify large crowds now be allowed at sporting events.

Sporting Crowds take place at venues where the cases are virtually non-existent.
Victoria had virtually rid itself of the disease prior to the BLM protest. Now look where we are at.

 

[sptrawler]

Sporting Crowds take place at venues where the cases are virtually non-existent.
Victoria had virtually rid itself of the disease prior to the BLM protest. Now look where we are at.

Victorian's always know best.

 

[moXJO]

should be noted that a person (white) that is helping organise the blm in Sydney has strong communist background and a member of antifa. He has been pushing regardless of the risks. I've noticed the pattern among the commies of push a protest untill it finally goes violent and nationwide. There have been multiple attempts in Australia to try and kick off dissent and violence against authorities.

A lot of the blacks were avoiding that they had to rope in "socialist" ratbags from varying sources.