You have defeated your own thesis on Albo. If Dutton even remotely represented his constituency, he'd romp in.Firstly oppositions seldom win solely on their platform, generally sitting Governments lose because they have performed badly, which other than the labor party screwing over young house buyers and renters they have done ok.
Secondly, the last classic Liberal was Abbott, but he was brutally honest.
The problem was, we were and still are in the middle of a left wing societal swing, so saying there are too many leaners and not enough lifters, was never going to float.
Turnbull couldn't work out whether he was Arthur or Martha with regard where he stood.
Then silly Billy blew his feet off trying to appease the Industry Super Funds, otherwise he would have been in the big chair in 2019.
Morrison was way too smug, smart and full of himself, so the media had to get rid of him, even though he and Frydenberg did an amazing job shutting down the country and re starting it up.
Albo is a survivor, he has been in the game since he was a kid, rat cunning as Tanya is finding out.
He has played the small target to perfection, achieved nothing, held responsible for nothing, locked in the top final average salary job done.
Now the next term will be really interesting, serious issues internationally, serious issues with the power grid, serious issues with China supply lines,serious issues with spending promises and growing debt, serious issues with getting anything made in Australia.
I can't wait to see how many bail out in the next term of Government, my guess is a lot from both sides of parliament, the days of easy money polishing seats in parliament, are fast coming to an end IMO.
Now where is that flack jacket.
Dutton hasn't sold the story well, he should have actually had experts sell the nuclear story, even Bowen can sell the green dream, without much to back it.You have defeated your own thesis on Albo. If Dutton even remotely represented his constituency, he'd romp in.
Instead of the government losing, we have you ludicrous situation where the opposition has lost it, much like the egregious John Hewson (another Manchurian Candidate).
All true, and going long on KY jelly.Dutton hasn't sold the story well, he should have actually had experts sell the nuclear story, even Bowen can sell the green dream, without much to back it.
Snowy 2.0 was a coaltion initiative, Kurri Kurri was a coalition initiative, that Labor demanded should run on 50% hydrogen by 2025, now after 3 years of Labor neither are even running and labor are going to run Kurri Kurri on Diesel.
FFS what has Dutton said about that? Beyond useless, too slow and the media use him as a floor matt.
Just my opinion, but to win, he needs to be able to project an alternative.
Abbott did, but the media didn't like it, now the Labor Party are using Abbotts affirmative action plan to reduce emissions, they are subsidising coal and now paying companies to put in renewables, which is what they trashed Abbott for suggesting in 2014.
What is being said about that? Dutton is unelectable, he isn't sharp enough, or attractive enough to win enough votes, sad but that's the way it rolls.
Let's be honest Labor have done zip, but pump inflation and they well romp it in. Lol
Dutton wont be the leader next election IMO and I doubt Albo will be either.
Good plan, IMO it is going to get ugly. LolAll true, and going long on KY jelly.
Bang, bangFirstly oppositions seldom win solely on their platform, generally sitting Governments lose because they have performed badly, which other than the labor party screwing over young house buyers and renters they have done ok.
Secondly, the last classic Liberal was Abbott, but he was brutally honest.
The problem was, we were and still are in the middle of a left wing societal swing, so saying there are too many leaners and not enough lifters, was never going to float.
Turnbull couldn't work out whether he was Arthur or Martha with regard where he stood.
Then silly Billy blew his feet off trying to appease the Industry Super Funds, otherwise he would have been in the big chair in 2019.
Morrison was way too smug, smart and full of himself, so the media had to get rid of him, even though he and Frydenberg did an amazing job shutting down the country and re starting it up.
Albo is a survivor, he has been in the game since he was a kid, rat cunning as Tanya is finding out.
He has played the small target to perfection, achieved nothing, held responsible for nothing, locked in the top final average salary job done.
Now the next term will be really interesting, serious issues internationally, serious issues with the power grid, serious issues with China supply lines,serious issues with spending promises and growing debt, serious issues with getting anything made in Australia.
I can't wait to see how many bail out in the next term of Government, my guess is a lot from both sides of parliament, the days of easy money polishing seats in parliament, are fast coming to an end IMO.
Now where is that flack jacket.
@wayneL Err what is colour of choice Wayne. Perhaps Yellow for spineless, Red for massive bleed, White/Clear so as not to be seen!!!!!!!All true, and going long on KY jelly.
Let's be honest Labor have done zip, but pump inflation and they well romp it in. Lol
Didn't give us debt like that Morrison chap. Actually paid it off a bit. Cut a lot of dodgy programs he set up.You forgot, 30-100% increase in the price of houses and rents. Real wages up 3.8%, real groceries and electricity prices up 50%
Even so they are better than the alternative, which shows how bad it really is.
By the way @IFocus , you need to stop copy and pasting Labor election pamphlets, before they have been released.
I like the idea of claiming loan repayments on the income tax based on the restrictions they've put in. It's the most sensible housing policy I've seen in decades.Didn't give us debt like that Morrison chap. Actually paid it off a bit. Cut a lot of dodgy programs he set up.
And they have done a few things to crow about. I think bringing back 500,000 places in TAFE is pretty important. trades are important. Setting up the National Corruption Commission. Lower unemployment. Fixing the War Veteran delays.
Getting debt down resulting in $80 billion saving in interest.
Reading the Liberal website I like a lot of it. (link below). It is pretty vague though.
Dutton's boy said he was worried about buying a house. Should be possible if that policy where he can claim interest on his tax return came in. Will help the rich kids a lot and as Saul Eslake says substantially raise house prices which is good for property investors (I just own my house).
Don't like my taxes being used this way.
Once you give home buyers a 5 year tax deduction, you can't take it back and it would cost $$$billions.
I am sure we would be stuck with it for generations. And how do we pay for it? Higher taxes?
I reckon they need to go away, come back with a better plan in time for the next election and then I will vote for them.
Like to see a bit of a tax reform agenda. Always things that can be done. Show a bit of guts.
Coalition policies.
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The question I'll raise, and this applies to all parties, is how much of this is actually fixing underlying problems? Versus how much is really just papering over the cracks or, even worse, blatantly buying votes?Cost of Living Relief:
Fully agree trades are important, very much so, but ultimately nobody's becoming a tradesperson without an apprenticeship. TAFE is only part of the story there.And they have done a few things to crow about. I think bringing back 500,000 places in TAFE is pretty important. trades are important.
You forgot, 30-100% increase in the price of houses and rents. Real wages up 3.8%, real groceries and electricity prices up 50%
Even so they are better than the alternative, which shows how bad it really is.
By the way @IFocus , you need to stop copy and pasting Labor election pamphlets, before they have been released.
I could rip that one to shreds.....We’re electrifying everything that can be electrified
That was a demand by the Greens as I understand it. Take it or leave it, you want Kurri Kurri at all, then run it on hydrogen.that Labor demanded should run on 50% hydrogen by 2025,
Yes another one of Morrison's dodgy programs was coming to an end on July 1st, but has been extended 1 year.Didn't give us debt like that Morrison chap. Actually paid it off a bit. Cut a lot of dodgy programs he set up.
There is no problem bringing back 500,000 TAFE places, enrollment numbers are actually falling, everyone goes to Uni now, to get a degree in Arts. Remember Julia's catch cry all the jobs will be in technology, every Australian child will need to go to uni, thank god for India at least we can still get tradies.And they have done a few things to crow about. I think bringing back 500,000 places in TAFE is pretty important. trades are important. Setting up the National Corruption Commission. Lower unemployment. Fixing the War Veteran delays.
That is the good thing they have done, the downside is the inflation it caused, that happens when Governments inflate away their debts.Getting debt down resulting in $80 billion saving in interest.
100%Yes another one of Morrison's dodgy programs apparently comes to an end on July 1st.
There is no problem bringing back 500,000 TAFE places, enrollment numbers are actually falling, everyone goes to Uni now, to get a degree in Arts. Remember Julia's catch cry all the jobs will be in technology, every Australian child will need to go to uni, thank god for India at least we can still get tradies.
As at 30 September 2024, there were 333 765 active (in-training) apprentice and trainee contracts nationally, with over two-thirds in trade occupations. The total number of in-training contracts decreased by 7.8% compared with 30 September 2023.25 Mar 2025
Trade contracts decreased by 1.9%, to 232 610, while non-trade contracts declined by 18.9%, to 101 120.
building and construction apprenticeship numbers in Australia have been declining, with a 22% drop in commencements in the year to December 2023. This is part of a broader trend of fewer apprenticeships overall in the country, with completions also decreasing. This decline is concerning the industry, as it could lead to a shortage of skilled workers and impact the economy.
That is the good thing they have done, the downside is the inflation it caused, that happens when Governments inflate away their debts.
It is fine if your not part of the collateral damage, it's not so good if you are a young couple renting, an old couple renting, or a couple who were saving to buy a house as your 10% deposit savings have been hammered by the price rise of what you want to buy.
There is an old couple and a single pensioner in the units where I live, their units sold in the last month and they have been told their new rents when the lease is renewed, both were paying 340/week, the couples unit has been bought by an owner occupier and the single pensioners is going from $340/week to $450/week.
I personally think as I've said before, Australia should adopt what the U.K and some other countries do, with regard negative gearing on property.
This is a good explanation IMO:
In Australia, taxpayers can deduct their net loss on negatively geared assets (e.g. residential property and shares) against other types of income, including salaries or wages and business income. There are no restrictions on the number or types of assets held, and there are no caps to the amount of deductions (losses) that can be recognised in any one income year.
In the UK, by contrast, if a taxpayer makes a loss on an asset, that loss is quarantined to that asset class. If after applying the income losses in that asset class against the gains in that same asset class the taxpayer is still in an overall net loss position for the income year, then that loss can only be carried forward and utilised in future income years. Any unapplied losses can then be offset against the capital gain of the eventual disposal of the asset.
It follows, then, that Australia’s negative gearing system is already far more generous than the UK’s, since:
In turn, the loss of revenue to the Australian Government is greater than would occur under a ‘quarantined’ approach, like in the UK, and the amount of investment that takes place, primarily into existing housing, is higher than would otherwise occur.
- There are no limits on losses recognised;
- The investor can apply losses against unrelated income (e.g. wages and salary);
- Losses are subsidised by tax refunds; and
- Losses are recognised at the individual’s marginal tax rate.
Hopefully a Government in the future starts and takes responsibility for the outcomes, rather than just delegate them to the private sector and start to take some of the essentially services back in house.
Hopefully Governments improve, IMO they need to.
I think the current crop of politicians, across the spectrum, are a sad indictment of Australian politics when you hear their vision "broad brush sound grabs".
@Knobby22 Where is the Organ Grinder because only the Monkeys (not the US pop group) are showing up!!!!!Yes another one of Morrison's dodgy programs apparently comes to an end on July 1st.
If it does come to an end it will scare the hell out of a lot of people.
There is no problem bringing back 500,000 TAFE places, enrollment numbers are actually falling, everyone goes to Uni now, to get a degree in Arts. Remember Julia's catch cry all the jobs will be in technology, every Australian child will need to go to uni, thank god for India at least we can still get tradies.
As at 30 September 2024, there were 333 765 active (in-training) apprentice and trainee contracts nationally, with over two-thirds in trade occupations. The total number of in-training contracts decreased by 7.8% compared with 30 September 2023.25 Mar 2025
Trade contracts decreased by 1.9%, to 232 610, while non-trade contracts declined by 18.9%, to 101 120.
building and construction apprenticeship numbers in Australia have been declining, with a 22% drop in commencements in the year to December 2023. This is part of a broader trend of fewer apprenticeships overall in the country, with completions also decreasing. This decline is concerning the industry, as it could lead to a shortage of skilled workers and impact the economy.
That is the good thing they have done, the downside is the inflation it caused, that happens when Governments inflate away their debts.
It is fine if your not part of the collateral damage, it's not so good if you are a young couple renting, an old couple renting, or a couple who were saving to buy a house as your 10% deposit savings have been hammered by the price rise of what you want to buy.
There is an old couple and a single pensioner in the units where I live, their units sold in the last month and they have been told their new rents when the lease is renewed, both were paying 340/week, the couples unit has been bought by an owner occupier and the single pensioners is going from $340/week to $450/week, the couple are having to move into their daughters shed there aren't any affordable rentals.
I personally think as I've said before, Australia should adopt what the U.K and some other countries do, with regard negative gearing on property.
This is a good explanation IMO:
In Australia, taxpayers can deduct their net loss on negatively geared assets (e.g. residential property and shares) against other types of income, including salaries or wages and business income. There are no restrictions on the number or types of assets held, and there are no caps to the amount of deductions (losses) that can be recognised in any one income year.
In the UK, by contrast, if a taxpayer makes a loss on an asset, that loss is quarantined to that asset class. If after applying the income losses in that asset class against the gains in that same asset class the taxpayer is still in an overall net loss position for the income year, then that loss can only be carried forward and utilised in future income years. Any unapplied losses can then be offset against the capital gain of the eventual disposal of the asset.
It follows, then, that Australia’s negative gearing system is already far more generous than the UK’s, since:
In turn, the loss of revenue to the Australian Government is greater than would occur under a ‘quarantined’ approach, like in the UK, and the amount of investment that takes place, primarily into existing housing, is higher than would otherwise occur.
- There are no limits on losses recognised;
- The investor can apply losses against unrelated income (e.g. wages and salary);
- Losses are subsidised by tax refunds; and
- Losses are recognised at the individual’s marginal tax rate.
Hopefully a Government in the future starts and takes responsibility for the outcomes, rather than just delegate them to the private sector and start to take some of the essentially services back in house.
Hopefully Governments improve, IMO they need to.
I think the current crop of politicians, across the spectrum, are a sad indictment of Australian politics when you hear their vision "broad brush sound grabs".
@Dona Ferentes you were right, the year is young, there's my second rant and I thought I could keep it to one.
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