Are you Gay? Time to fess up...

[basilio]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men

That story was one of the most brutal and horrific articles I have read - almost ever.
But it was about prolonged, sadistic torture - not being gay.

So why is a sadistic torture story part of this thread ? Is this part of "Come in Spinner Tisme ? Just pulling people in with ... what exactly ? That was the question Satanopera posed and then decided you didn't need the benefit of any doubt.

He gave you both barrels, reloaded and did it again. If you talk nasty, nasty rubbish there will be consequences.

This thread started, for whatever reason, to try and persuade people to come out as gay. In this forum, with the language and contempt that has been expressed by many posters, one would have to have balls of steel or be mentally deranged to acknowledge being gay. And I assume sticking up other peoples right to be gay would gain a pretty similar response. Ce la vie.

It just doesn't make this a fun place to be.

 

[Klogg]

Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped in England and Wales alone every year, laughed 'til I stopped

If homos are 2% of the population that would result in a weighted average of 85/98 = 0.86 versus 6.0 so homosexuals are 6/0.86 =7 times more likely to rape

A few points:
- Where did you get the 2% figure from?
- What about those that are bisexual?
- Did you know that it's possible for women to rape men?

The figures you've quoted are meaningless.

To me it isn't "normal".

What is normal? If you mean social norm - 300 years ago, slavery was 'normal', now we're (rightly) horrified by the thought of it.
If you're referring to biological norm, there is none. Evolution takes its course without an end goal, and the genes that don't reproduce, die off. It's really that simple.

It sounds like you were scared by something foreign to you. Since you had already formed your idea of 'normal' from previous exposures, the concept of a male/male relationship simply didn't gel with your normal, so you rejected it.

 

[Tisme]

That story was one of the most brutal and horrific articles I have read - almost ever.
But it was about prolonged, sadistic torture - not being gay.

So why is a sadistic torture story part of this thread ? Is this part of "Come in Spinner Tisme ? Just pulling people in with ... what exactly ? That was the question Satanopera posed and then decided you didn't need the benefit of any doubt.

He gave you both barrels, reloaded and did it again. If you talk nasty, nasty rubbish there will be consequences.

This thread started, for whatever reason, to try and persuade people to come out as gay. In this forum, with the language and contempt that has been expressed by many posters, one would have to have balls of steel or be mentally deranged to acknowledge being gay. And I assume sticking up other peoples right to be gay would gain a pretty similar response. Ce la vie.

It just doesn't make this a fun place to be.

Well because, Rumpole made a statement that was measured but incorrect and I thought I would correct that by pointing out that homosexuals do infact brutalise other men. It's not all cotton candy and fizzy drinks out there you know. I have a feeling you have never been exposed tother side have you my son.... I suspect you are superimposing a fantasy image on a whole demographic...truth or dare.

 

[Tisme]

A few points:
- Where did you get the 2% figure from?
- What about those that are bisexual?
- Did you know that it's possible for women to rape men?

The figures you've quoted are meaningless.



What is normal? If you mean social norm - 300 years ago, slavery was 'normal', now we're (rightly) horrified by the thought of it.
If you're referring to biological norm, there is none. Evolution takes its course without an end goal, and the genes that don't reproduce, die off. It's really that simple.

It sounds like you were scared by something foreign to you. Since you had already formed your idea of 'normal' from previous exposures, the concept of a male/male relationship simply didn't gel with your normal, so you rejected it.

Mate, it's pointless trying to wrap up stupidty and disguise it as common sense. Go ask your mother or some other person in your gene pool with family values and she/he will surely straighten you up.

Here's a guide for simple minds. When a man sticks his penis in "another" mans bum hole that is homosexuality. When a man sticks his penis in either sex without consent that is rape. It doesn't matter what someone labels themselves, if they perform a homosexual act they are performing a homosexual act and if they rape someone they are raping someone, perhaps homosexually. You know this, everyone knows this, but for some reason the horror of acknowledging it, means that apologists try to use blind eye logic to convince themselves that it can't be true, that it's some kind of sanitised performance.

 

[Tisme]

This thread started, for whatever reason, to try and persuade people to come out as gay. .

And here's me thinking was a tongue in cheek, albeit offensive to some, rhetorical callout.

Your response right there speaks heaps about how we are supposed to bestow special privileges on people with a sexual persuasion.

Should we start a thread for coloured people (you know that other 95% minority group who aren't white skinned), women only (that 51% group) or maybe even, God forbid that 2.5% who the world blames for everything, simply because they were born with Anglo/saxon/celtic/nordic genes.

 

[PZ.]

Hmmm, think I better extend my cookie use by dates.
No way I'm going to "log out" in this environment.

For the record, I'm straight as a gun barrel - my GF owns all the curves

Topless version.

Spoiler

Thankyouverymuch....

 

[Tisme]

Hmmm, think I better extend my cookie use by dates.
No way I'm going to "log out" in this environment.

For the record, I'm straight as a gun barrel - my GF owns all the curves View attachment 72474

Topless version.

Spoiler

View attachment 72475
Thankyouverymuch....

Is that Rudolph Nureyev ?

 

[Tisme]

Try B, C, or D.
But not A.

I cannot stand people who accept rape on any form at any level

Me neither. At least you have one redeeming feature that we can both agree on.

 

[PZ.]

Is that Rudolph Nureyev ?

No he was a ballet dancer. She's more of a belly dancer

 

[moXJO]

I have a couple ladyboys and a gay guy coming to my 1yo birthday this week. Have a young girl that is very close to the family that transitioned to male a few years back. And know a few others through various people.
Queer society is just like any other groups of people. You get your $hitbags and you get good people. Same with race. Environment that you have grown up in is usually the attitude changer. Not so much color or preference.
I don't actively have gay friends, just friends through friends.

Generally I'm not tolerant towards anyone I deem as scum, if I think they are sh!tbags they can get punted with my foot out the door. Otherwise I give most people a chance.

I understand wysiwyg and Tismes stance. Most of the people I grew up with are the same.
They are allowed their opinions and concerns.

But I think this thread is a waste of time. It's not adding anything to the debate except bile.

 

[Klogg]

Mate, it's pointless trying to wrap up stupidty and disguise it as common sense. Go ask your mother or some other person in your gene pool with family values and she/he will surely straighten you up.

Here's a guide for simple minds. When a man sticks his penis in "another" mans bum hole that is homosexuality. When a man sticks his penis in either sex without consent that is rape. It doesn't matter what someone labels themselves, if they perform a homosexual act they are performing a homosexual act and if they rape someone they are raping someone, perhaps homosexually. You know this, everyone knows this, but for some reason the horror of acknowledging it, means that apologists try to use blind eye logic to convince themselves that it can't be true, that it's some kind of sanitised performance.

I wasn't questioning the definition of homosexual or the sexual acts that go along with it, only the statistics you quoted. If we're going to quote data, we should at least be sure it's accurate and relevant to the topic at hand.

 

[Tisme]

No he was a ballet dancer. She's more of a belly dancer

Now that's actually interesting. Shall we hijack the thread and discuss this at length?

 

[Tisme]

I wasn't questioning the definition of homosexual or the sexual acts that go along with it, only the statistics you quoted. If we're going to quote data, we should at least be sure it's accurate and relevant to the topic at hand.

If you read my other posts you will see that I do actually reprise stats. That's one of the things I do everyday... use real stats for probability, profit and profligation.

 

[Tisme]

I have a couple ladyboys and a gay guy coming to my 1yo birthday this week. Have a young girl that is very close to the family that transitioned to male a few years back. And know a few others through various people.
Queer society is just like any other groups of people. You get your $hitbags and you get good people. Same with race. Environment that you have grown up in is usually the attitude changer. Not so much color or preference.
I don't actively have gay friends, just friends through friends.

Generally I'm not tolerant towards anyone I deem as scum, if I think they are sh!tbags they can get punted with my foot out the door. Otherwise I give most people a chance.

I understand wysiwyg and Tismes stance. Most of the people I grew up with are the same.
They are allowed their opinions and concerns.

But I think this thread is a waste of time. It's not adding anything to the debate except bile.

The thread was always a waste of time, that's its attraction.

I do actively have gay friends and talking about it to them is the same as with heteros in social company = you don't and the older one gets the more of a "dirty old man" tag you get if you do.

 

[PZ.]

Now that's actually interesting. Shall we hijack the thread and discuss this at length?

Well if it adds decorum to the forum by restoring "happy" into a gay thread then I'm on board with it

 

[Tisme]

Well if it adds decorum to the forum by restoring "happy" into a gay thread then I'm on board with it

To know me is to love me ...I'm nearly always happy, but not necessarily gay.

This belly dancing thing .... I was once out in the stickless of Dubai for a bbq of camel & fancy free and lo and behold if they didn't have a Romanian dancing women dressed like Yvonne De Carlo out of a movie, ...yeah that's the spirit.

 

[SirRumpole]

To know me is to love me ...I'm nearly always happy, but not necessarily gay.

This belly dancing thing .... I was once out in the stickless of Dubai for a bbq of camel & fancy free and lo and behold if they didn't have a Romanian dancing women dressed like Yvonne De Carlo out of a movie, ...yeah that's the spirit.

Do they supply ladders when the lads go out with a camel ?

 

[Tisme]

Do they supply ladders when the lads go out with a camel ?

I have no idea what you are talking about!!!

 

[satanoperca]

WOW WOW WOW
Tisme, you have dominated this thread, how many responses above are all about you and your opinion.

Well, lets look at some stats, out of the last 18 replies, 10 have been you, over 50% - dominating or maybe you have a compulsive disorder that could be manifesting your desire for men, lol.

And then i look at the other threads and I see the same.

So you have option a, b,c,d or e available, do you feel lucky.

 

[Wysiwyg]

What is normal? If you mean social norm - 300 years ago, slavery was 'normal', now we're (rightly) horrified by the thought of it.

Normal is what someone, a few, a group, a country or the whole world agrees is normal.

If you're referring to biological norm, there is none. Evolution takes its course without an end goal, and the genes that don't reproduce, die off. It's really that simple.

Normal as in male and female together is normal to me. I see it in all creatures great and small for mating and offspring purposes. What your idea of normal regarding humans is for pleasure purposes hence the challenge by unnatural partners to change what is the normal union between a male and female called marriage.

It sounds like you were scared by something foreign to you. Since you had already formed your idea of 'normal' from previous exposures, the concept of a male/male relationship simply didn't gel with your normal, so you rejected it.

My pleasure and marriage normal is with female. I accept you have an alternative normal. Thanks for the discussion.