Are you Gay? Time to fess up...

[pavilion103]

The very fact that we have this thread at all clearly indicates bigotry. It has been clearly proven neurologicaly that our sexuality is stamped out. The discussion is a disgrace. Move on to more constructive things. Like how the icon of the cross or the tall church spire make people slaves. These things we could change.

Again passing off opinions as fact.

Certain neurological connections may be wired but this is how all though habits are formed. For example playing a musical instrument. People aren't born with that wiring.

You don't like the conversation leave! You're arrogance is a disgrace. Take it somewhere else.

 

[So_Cynical]

Again passing off opinions as fact.

Certain neurological connections may be wired but this is how all though habits are formed. For example playing a musical instrument. People aren't born with that wiring.

You do know that Jimi Hendrix never had a guitar lesson in his life, he was completely self taught from a young age, born with the wiring one could say.

 

[sydboy007]

Homosexuals are 'born that way'

Pedophiles are 'born that way'

There is probably more.........

Just saying, since people seem to want to call out their sexuality.

Obviously plenty of the clergy are born that way too.

Church hierarchies must have been born lacking a conscious to have allowed them to just shuffle paedophiles around the country to protect the church, not the children.

Why do you continually try to link homosexuality and paedophilia?

 

[sydboy007]

Again passing off opinions as fact.

Certain neurological connections may be wired but this is how all though habits are formed. For example playing a musical instrument. People aren't born with that wiring.

You don't like the conversation leave! You're arrogance is a disgrace. Take it somewhere else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

Quite an amazing mathematician, especially when you consider he started out alone. He worked out the Riemann series, the elliptic integrals, hypergeometric series, the functional equations of the zeta function, and his own theory of divergent series.

Though rare, some people do seem to be born with certain innate skills.

 

[herzy]

Sorry Julia, I misread your comment. I incorrectly interpreted you as subscribing to the bigotry that others have displayed.

Not sure why you feel the need to tell others how they should feel.

i didn't tell anybody how to feel. I do however (unashamedly) feel the need to call people on their ignorance or bigotry when it directly harms others and/or perpetuates misinformation.

I think that bigotry and prejudice still exists towards homosexuals, and I think that people being open about their sexuality is one way to help to overcome that. It's fine if we disagree about that final aspect though.

The very fact that we have this thread at all clearly indicates bigotry.

It has been clearly proven neurologicaly that our sexuality is stamped out.

The discussion is a disgrace. Move on to more constructive things. Like how the icon of the cross or the tall church spire make people slaves. These things we could change.

+ 1

Again passing off opinions as fact.

Certain neurological connections may be wired but this is how all though habits are formed. For example playing a musical instrument. People aren't born with that wiring.

You don't like the conversation leave! You're arrogance is a disgrace. Take it somewhere else.

Pavillion you continue to show your ignorance and bigotry. Predispositions for musical ability and tune/tone deafness have been clearly demonstrated to be genetic (as has language ability, maths, IQ... ).

In any case, does it matter? Does the difference between genetic predisposition and societal conditioning really merit treating people differently?

 

[luutzu]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

Quite an amazing mathematician, especially when you consider he started out alone. He worked out the Riemann series, the elliptic integrals, hypergeometric series, the functional equations of the zeta function, and his own theory of divergent series.

Though rare, some people do seem to be born with certain innate skills.

Given all the bigotry and discrimination against homosexuality in just about all modern society, it'd be a pretty bad choice for people to choose to be gay. I mean, your parents might not be happy hearing that you won't be able to pass on their genes; the school kids are not very kind; the Church and other religions... employment opportunities...

There's a body of studies in biology and genetics that said homosexuality plays an important role in the survival of the species, such as the natural birth control, homosexuals not having kids mean using less resources, and them adopting mean helping etc. etc.

But regardless of what "causes" homosexuality, it's between two consenting adults and so what's the difference? Nothing else to worry about?

 

[Tink]

I didn't connect the two Syd, though Pav makes a good observation about human failings and the slaves to sex - sex being powerful.

 

[pavilion103]

Herzy I have gay friends and I love them. One actually told me that when he met me he was hesitant because I am a Christian. After getting to know me he said if he could live any sought of religious faith out he would want it to be like the way I love mine. He felt love.

He knows that I don't agree with homosexuality and he obviously doesn't agree with parts of Christianity. We are friends. Our interactions are based on love and respect. No bigotry on either side, just differing opinions.

There is also a second person that I know and I have the exact same situation with him.

On a forum it is difficult to understand someone. To slam me as a bigot and ignorant is really silly when I am able to live out the above.

People on here seem to think that unless you agree with what people are doing then you're a bigot. NO. If you disagree but continue to love them it is not. If you treat them like crap because you disagree then yes it is.

 

[pavilion103]

On another note, most men have a predisposition towards wanting to have sex with as many women as possible.
However when they get married, it doesn't matter if they have that predisposition, they are to remain faithful to their wife.

Some have a predisposition towards alcohol. Does that mean they should get drink every night?

Humans seem to have a predisposition towards general selfishness. Exaggerating, lying, self gain. Does that mean we should just follow the path of least resistance?

Predisposition doesn't determine morality or how we should act out.

But like I said previously, a forum is not the best place to be able to communicate views about this sort of stuff accurately. Especially when every second post is a keyboard warrior calling someone a bigot. In light of what my gay friends said, how silly. I'll take their opinion over yours.

 

[SirRumpole]

On another note, most men have a predisposition towards wanting to have sex with as many women as possible.

Have you told your wife of this fantasy of yours ?

Humans seem to have a predisposition towards general selfishness. Exaggerating, lying, self gain. Does that mean we should just follow the path of least resistance?

Some do, probably promoted by the media and advertising. I would say MOST people have some compassion towards those less well off than themselves. Societal pressures play a large part in the way people act. I don't think that there is a "predisposition" towards any human behaviour, but sexuality is not a "behaviour", it's an attribute of a particular person, like their gender is.

But like I said previously, a forum is not the best place to be able to communicate views about this sort of stuff accurately. Especially when every second post is a keyboard warrior calling someone a bigot. In light of what my gay friends said, how silly. I'll take their opinion over yours.

So are your gay friends saying that they could be heterosexuals if they wanted to be ? If so, why did they choose to be gay ?

 

[Julia]

Sorry Julia, I misread your comment. I incorrectly interpreted you as subscribing to the bigotry that others have displayed.

It's fine, herzy. I just wanted to be clear that I held no illusions about sexual orientation being a choice.
It's easy enough to misinterpret the typed word.

i didn't tell anybody how to feel. I do however (unashamedly) feel the need to call people on their ignorance or bigotry when it directly harms others and/or perpetuates misinformation.

I understand your point, but (if I now recall correctly) you suggested that Rumpole 'needed to hear about other people being gay'.

He had said

You can be proud of your achievements, but sexuality is something that people have no control over.

Like others I don't want to hear the ins and outs of other people's private lives whether they be gay or straight , so whether they "fess up" or not is their concern not mine.

so, given his clear acknowledgement that sexuality is not a choice, your contradicting his preference not to want to hear announcements about individuals' sexuality, seemed rather patronising. He's surely as much entitled to his view as any of us.

I don't agree with Pav on much here, but do somewhat on the casual use of the word 'bigotry'. It's an ugly word for ugly behaviour. If people do not want to be interested in someone announcing their sexual orientation, that's their right without their necessarily being labelled either ignorant or bigoted.

 

[Tisme]

If you subscribe to Bill Clinton's viewpoint, there is only one sexual activity that can lay claim to being sex and that requires a vagina and a penis, the rest is just skirting around the edges......Cuban anyone?

 

[drsmith]

Our feline friends wouldn't be.....

The female utters a loud yowl as the male pulls out of her because a male cat's penis has a band of about 120–150 backwards-pointing penile spines, which are about 1 mm long;[162] upon withdrawal of the penis, the spines rake the walls of the female's vagina, which is a trigger for ovulation. This act also occurs to clear the vagina of other sperm in the context of a second (or more) mating, thus giving the later males a larger chance of conception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat#Reproduction

 

[Tisme]

The linked article is from the Telegraph in the UK so it must be true. Apparently there isn't any firm evidence, but that doesn't matter.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ly-partly-due-to-gay-gene-research-finds.html

Of course Nature herself discriminates against homosexual behaviours by not building us males with a cloaca valve.

 

[Value Collector]

There is actually zero evidence that anyone is born with their sexuality.

Firstly, that's not true,

But more importantly, who cares?

Even if it was proven that being gay was a choice, what right would you have to tell people they can't do it?

 

[sydboy007]

 

[sydboy007]

I didn't connect the two Syd, though Pav makes a good observation about human failings and the slaves to sex - sex being powerful.

Seriously, this is what you said

Homosexuals are 'born that way'

Pedophiles are 'born that way'

There is probably more.........

Just saying, since people seem to want to call out their sexuality.

So as an honest Christian who wouldn't lie or in any way dissemble the truth, you claim you had no intent in any way that what you said could in any way be construed to try and link homosexuality and paedophilia? There was nothing else you could have used to try and make your point except paedophilia and homosexuality?

 

[explod]

When working on pedophilia problems in my career, the clinical pshcholigists in our team identified that vulnerable young people were cultured/nutured so to speak by peodiphiles. Infected was another term, as in being introduced to a drug. Both gay and hetersexual were found to be equally vulnerable.

The neurological state in which the mind is pre-wired (so to speak) from conception is very different to those things that develop from conscious choice introduced from experience.

Like drug taking, this has very destructive consequences on the young.

To sit pediophilia alongside natural (ie.being born that way ) sexual orientation is wrong, in my view.

 

[Tink]

Explod, I was always told that pedophiles were born that way and couldn't be rehabilitated.

Syd, my post had a hidden meaning pointing to the problems we are having in society now, with sex trafficking, child pornography etc, which didn't just include homosexuals.

I am surprised you are actually putting a magnifying glass on my post, Syd, when I never do that with the posts you put in the religion thread.

 

[explod]

Explod, I was always told that pedophiles were born that way and couldn't be rehabilitated.

Syd, my post had a hidden meaning pointing to the problems we are having in society now, with sex trafficking, child pornography etc, which didn't just include homosexuals.

I am surprised you are actually putting a magnifying glass on my post, Syd, when I never do that with the posts you put in the religion thread.

Not my intention Tink. Merely making my view clear that there is a big difference between perception and the clinical facts.

Your concerns and views are important in allucidating confusion.