Are you Gay? Time to fess up...

[CanOz]

Re: Are you Gay ? time to fess up....

What's an "affluent knob"? Is it a phallic thing?

ROTFLMAO!

 

[bellenuit]

Not a surprise to many, but good to see a person of such high profile open up....

Tim Cook Speaks Up

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-30/tim-cook-im-proud-to-be-gay

 

[tech/a]

I've been a lesbian all my life.

Love women.

 

[darkhorse70]

Are you gay if youve had a gay thought, then qs if that made u gay? Haha like charile sheen in 2 & a half men.

 

[Tisme]

Not a surprise to many, but good to see a person of such high profile open up....

Tim Cook Speaks Up

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-30/tim-cook-im-proud-to-be-gay

I must admit the notion of being "proud" as a hetrosexual never really crosses my mind, let alone broadcasting it to the world, but my brain is probably wired differently in that respect too.

 

[Julia]

Not a surprise to many, but good to see a person of such high profile open up....

I must admit the notion of being "proud" as a hetrosexual never really crosses my mind, let alone broadcasting it to the world, but my brain is probably wired differently in that respect too.

I just don't understand this compulsion to discuss one's sexuality with the world. Really, who cares? It's no one's business.

Seems that since social media has come to dominate the waking hours of most of the population, it's accompanied by this obsession to share every nuance of mood, the occurrence of events as breathtaking as "just finished the shopping, heading home" right up to what one's sexual preferences are.

There was much to be said for the dignity of a bit of personal reticence and sense of privacy imo.

 

[bellenuit]

I just don't understand this compulsion to discuss one's sexuality with the world. Really, who cares? It's no one's business.

I agree in general Julia, but I think in this case he is also making a statement about some of the archaic laws in the US. For instance, as far as I understand, in his home state of Alabama, you can be legally fired for being gay and can also be legally evicted if you are a tenant. If you read the article, his coming out is more than just making a statement about his own sexuality, but is driven by the belief that because of his high profile position by doing so he can help others who may fear the repercussions they might encounter.

 

[Knobby22]

I just don't understand this compulsion to discuss one's sexuality with the world. Really, who cares? It's no one's business.

Seems that since social media has come to dominate the waking hours of most of the population, it's accompanied by this obsession to share every nuance of mood, the occurrence of events as breathtaking as "just finished the shopping, heading home" right up to what one's sexual preferences are.

There was much to be said for the dignity of a bit of personal reticence and sense of privacy imo.

+1 We used to laugh at the American's for sharing each boring titbit of their lives on national TV but now we are just like them.

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't see how someone can be "proud" of a condition they are born with.

You can be proud of your achievements, but sexuality is something that people have no control over.

Like others I don't want to hear the ins and outs of other people's private lives whether they be gay or straight , so whether they "fess up" or not is their concern not mine.

 

[pavilion103]

I don't see how someone can be "proud" of a condition they are born with. You can be proud of your achievements, but sexuality is something that people have no control over. Like others I don't want to hear the ins and outs of other people's private lives whether they be gay or straight , so whether they "fess up" or not is their concern not mine.

There is actually zero evidence that anyone is born with their sexuality. But when you state it so categorically it may sound convincing to others. Talk about slotting in an assumption and dressing it up as fact!

 

[So_Cynical]

There is actually zero evidence that anyone is born with their sexuality. But when you state it so categorically it may sound convincing to others. Talk about slotting in an assumption and dressing it up as fact!

Zero evidence?, is this a Christian "gayness can be cured" thing? cos i would of thought that the evidence is over whelming.

 

[Julia]

Fwiw, I find the thread header pretty silly.

 

[sydboy007]

There is actually zero evidence that anyone is born with their sexuality. But when you state it so categorically it may sound convincing to others. Talk about slotting in an assumption and dressing it up as fact!

While I was too young to know about sexuality, I remember in early primary school find the general shape of a man much more pleasing than a woman when watching space 1999 and everyone in jump suits.

There's actually plenty of evidence that we are born that way. I've never had a sexual attraction to women, though had plenty of female friends over the years.

 

[sydboy007]

Fwiw, I find the thread header pretty silly.

I actually find it offensive.

Sexuality is a small component of who we are. There's also the issue of personal choice as to who we share that with. You only have to look at some of the hateful comments made when sports stars share their sexual preferences eg Michael Sam, Jason Collins, Ian Thorpe.

Google about parental negative reactions and it's easy to see why fessing up is a stupid concept.

 

[herzy]

Btw to suggest to gay people that they have any need to 'fess up' is rather insulting and patronising. Their sexual preference isn't something about which they should feel ashamed. Just their choice.

Agreed, and the point was well made about the title (and acknowledged by MrBurns - but I think many gay people would take offence at the idea that their sexuality is a 'choice'.

I agree in general Julia, but I think in this case he is also making a statement about some of the archaic laws in the US. For instance, as far as I understand, in his home state of Alabama, you can be legally fired for being gay and can also be legally evicted if you are a tenant. If you read the article, his coming out is more than just making a statement about his own sexuality, but is driven by the belief that because of his high profile position by doing so he can help others who may fear the repercussions they might encounter.

+1

Although it's fine to be private, bear in mind that as heterosexuals we're the priviliged majority, who aren't subjected to bigotry, prejudice or systematic injustices, and thus can afford to be passive/private. In that context, I think it's very important that homosexuals are open about their sexuality, as it encourages dialogue and spurs societal acceptance and progression.

I don't see how someone can be "proud" of a condition they are born with.

You can be proud of your achievements, but sexuality is something that people have no control over.

Like others I don't want to hear the ins and outs of other people's private lives whether they be gay or straight , so whether they "fess up" or not is their concern not mine.

Maybe you need to hear about other people being gay. There's a big difference between being gay or straight, and the pressures young boys face growing up in an unaccepting society, etc mean that openly discussing homosexuality performs a vary important function, which openly discussing heterosexuality does not. See above.

While I agree with you that sexuality isn't something to be inherently proud of in the sense of an accomplishment, I think Mr Cook means proud as an antonym to 'ashamed'.

There is actually zero evidence that anyone is born with their sexuality. But when you state it so categorically it may sound convincing to others. Talk about slotting in an assumption and dressing it up as fact!

Surely not serious. You think the whole animal kingdom survives purely on conditioning, no instinct? You think the people risking their lives to partake in homosexual relationships in Saudi Arabi, Iran and many African countries do it because they've somehow been taught to be gay?

 

[Tink]

Homosexuals are 'born that way'

Pedophiles are 'born that way'

There is probably more.........

Just saying, since people seem to want to call out their sexuality.

 

[pavilion103]

They are probably doing it to risk their lives because
1) they BELIEVE they were born that way
2) sexual temptation is powerful. Why does a man or woman risk losing their family over an affair.

I'm sorry but I need more SCIENTIFIC evidence than "why would they do it and risk their life"

If you have no concrete scientific evidence you are guessing.

 

[Julia]

Agreed, and the point was well made about the title (and acknowledged by MrBurns - but I think many gay people would take offence at the idea that their sexuality is a 'choice'.

You have misinterpreted my comment (which must have been made some time ago, certainly not in this current exchange. ) What you have quoted me as saying is

Btw to suggest to gay people that they have any need to 'fess up' is rather insulting and patronising. Their sexual preference isn't something about which they should feel ashamed. Just their choice.

"Just their choice", referred to the choice to discuss their sexuality, not the orientation itself.
If I'd thought they had a choice about their sexuality I'd hardly have suggested that it was 'patronising and insulting' to say they should 'fess up'.

Although it's fine to be private, bear in mind that as heterosexuals we're the priviliged majority, who aren't subjected to bigotry, prejudice or systematic injustices, and thus can afford to be passive/private. In that context, I think it's very important that homosexuals are open about their sexuality, as it encourages dialogue and spurs societal acceptance and progression.

I don't see significant evidence of bigotry at all. For a long time now, the variants in human sexuality have been understood and accepted.
Even going back more than twenty years a very close friend of mine died from AIDS. At no stage was he not loved and accepted for the kind, funny, smart person he was by everyone who knew him. His sexuality was irrelevant. However, neither he nor any of his homosexual friends, male and female, ever felt obliged to prattle on about their sex lives any more than did any of us who were heterosexual.

Maybe you need to hear about other people being gay.

Not sure why you feel the need to tell others how they should feel.

 

[drsmith]

2) sexual temptation is powerful.

CAUTION: For the following vid, start it with the sound level relatively low.





Some years ago there was once a documentary style video on Youtube the theme of which was where not to put it. The title was along the lines of 101 places not to....... It too included a pool pump incident.

 

[explod]

The very fact that we have this thread at all clearly indicates bigotry.

It has been clearly proven neurologicaly that our sexuality is stamped out.

The discussion is a disgrace. Move on to more constructive things. Like how the icon of the cross or the tall church spire make people slaves. These things we could change.