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The leaders denounced the photograph but did not say anything about the wider subject of jihad.
Syria not a jihad anyway as it's a war between Muslim sects. What do the Imams say about that ?
And this one...
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...vered-head-20140811-102t0t.html#ixzz3A8RQKKPI
The leaders denounced the photograph but did not say anything about the wider subject of jihad.
“I’m going to use my interactions with the local community during my election campaign to talk about radicalisation and inform mums and dads about the signs and behavioural changes in young people that parents need to be aware of,” Dr Rifi said.
He said he had been “fearful” that his own children could fall under the influence of radical notions of Islam, such as those promoted by Australian terrorists Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar, but talking about the issue had been the key. “In my dealings with them I always express my views that the actions of people like Elomar and Sharrouf are not the actions of Muslims and I encourage them to have discussions about these issues to make sure they are less susceptible to extremist ideologies,” he said.
Dr Rifi is likely to be waging his electoral campaign against one of two men with links to the Muslim community: Bankstown Mayor Khal Asfour or Punchbowl Boys High School principal Jihad Dib, both of whom have been named as potential ALP candidates for Lakemba. Whatever the outcome, Dr Rifi said he still worried about the influence of online radicalism on Muslim youth. The emergence at the weekend of a photograph showing Sharrouf’s young son in Syria holding up a severed human head showed the critical need for action, despite attempts in the community advocating moderation.
“We are proud of what we have achieved — we have distanced our communities from the ideologies of ISIS (now known as the Islamic State) and those like ISIS,” he said. “I think the time past since September 11 has proved us right: two or three incidents is not the worst possible outcome and we should get some credit for that. (But) you don’t get to know your religion from behind a (computer) screen. These kids need mentors.”
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He said Sharrouf’s behaviour was “demented” and vowed to “fight that kind of radicalism”.
“He is not serving anyone but his own ego and delusion and it is impacting negatively on his kids, his community and his religion,” Dr Rifi said.
“People like me are the real representatives of the Muslim community, not Sharrouf and not (Mohamed) Elomar — that is the message I want to send.”
NSW Islamic Council head Khaled Sukkarieh concurred, describing the latest Sharrouf images as “beyond belief”. “To see photos of a seven-year-old being subjected to this kind of rubbish, we condemn it all in the name of Islam,” Mr Sukkarieh said.
He said comments by former army chief Peter Leahy in recent days about Australia being engaged in a 100-year war with Islam pitted communities against each other at a time when the country needed to “stand united”.
“The community itself hurts the most as a result of any action by individuals who may hijack Islam for their own purpose,” he said. “If we are going to achieve anything we need to be working together, not sowing seeds of hate for the next 100 years.”
Absolutely.There's some fine guilt by association going on in this thread.
I just hope that decent Muslims are farsighted enough not to think we are all guilty of "accusation by association"
Agree 100%Absolutely.
I just hope that decent Muslims are farsighted enough not to think we are all guilty of "accusation by association"
I don't want be involved in these threads - But time has come to stand up and say these threads/policies/whatever that imply guilt by association disgust me.
Treat people on their merits - not on your prejudices and the radicals will have so much more trouble recruiting.
Mr Abbott’s office had previously vowed to investigate options to cease the international portability of welfare payments for people suspected by security agencies of joining militant or terrorist ranks.
An estimated 150 Australians have travelled to the Iraqi and Syrian war zones, about 60 of whom are thought to be on the front line.
It is understood a significant number were receiving unemployment, disability or family payments while at the same time being members of the Islamic State or the al-Qaida-linked al-Nusra Front.
The Government is now considering further measures to stop welfare payments to militants engaged in foreign conflicts, including Iraq and Syria.
Agree 100%
I find it hard to swallow that people say things like "Well, they haven't come out and said this or that" - when really it is a case of "They probably have, you're just too lazy and fixed in your views to bother looking & listening for it."
NSW Islamic Council head Khaled Sukkarieh concurred, describing the latest Sharrouf images as “beyond belief”. “To see photos of a seven-year-old being subjected to this kind of rubbish, we condemn it all in the name of Islam,” Mr Sukkarieh said.
It's obvious who the lazy one is. If you could get off your couch, perhaps you could dig up some examples of where the Muslim leadership here has condemned their rmembers travelling to Syria and Iraq to participate in The Islamic State terrorist activities and genocide.
Sure, they have been upset by The Australian graphically exposing these activities, but not by the activities themselves, even though they all knew that these graphic images were previously widely circulated in their community.
This is a typical reaction;
Do you have any quotes from the community's upset with this being published rather than the act itself?
NSW Islamic Council head Khaled Sukkarieh concurred, describing the latest Sharrouf images as “beyond belief”. “To see photos of a seven-year-old being subjected to this kind of rubbish, we condemn it all in the name of Islam,” Mr Sukkarieh said.
Washington: The most striking photographs from Ferguson, Missouri, aren't of Saturday's demonstrations or Sunday night's riots; they're of the police. Image after image shows officers clad in Kevlar vests, helmets, and camouflage, armed with pistols, shotguns, automatic rifles, and tear gas. In one photo, protesters stand toe-to-toe with baton-wielding riot police, in another, an unarmed man faces several cops, each with rifles at the ready.
What's more, Ferguson police have used armoured vehicles to show force and control crowds. In one photo, riot gear-clad officers are standing in front of a mine-resistant ambush protected vehicle, barking commands and launching tear gas into groups of demonstrators and journalists.
This would be one thing if Ferguson were in a war zone, or if protesters were violent – although, it's hard to imagine a situation in which American police would need a mine-resistant vehicle. But an episode of looting aside, Ferguson police aren't dealing with any particular danger. Nonetheless, they're treating demonstrators – and Ferguson residents writ large – as a population to occupy, not citizens to protect.
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That police are eager to use their new weapons and vehicles isn't a surprise. As The New York Times notes, "The ubiquity of SWAT teams has changed not only the way officers look, but also the way departments view themselves. Recruiting videos feature clips of officers storming into homes with smoke grenades and firing automatic weapons."
That is how we get images like the ones in Ferguson, where police officers brandish heavy weapons and act as an occupying force. We should expect as much when we give police departments military weapons. Already – when it comes to predominantly black and brown communities – there's a long-standing culture of aggressive, punitive policing. Add assault weapons and armoured vehicles, and you have a recipe for the repressive, violent reactions that we see in Ferguson, and that are likely inevitable in countless other poor American neighbourhoods.
That police are eager to use their new weapons and vehicles isn't a surprise. As The New York Times notes, "The ubiquity of SWAT teams has changed not only the way officers look, but also the way departments view themselves. Recruiting videos feature clips of officers storming into homes with smoke grenades and firing automatic weapons."
That is how we get images like the ones in Ferguson, where police officers brandish heavy weapons and act as an occupying force. We should expect as much when we give police departments military weapons. Already – when it comes to predominantly black and brown communities – there's a long-standing culture of aggressive, punitive policing. Add assault weapons and armoured vehicles, and you have a recipe for the repressive, violent reactions that we see in Ferguson, and that are likely inevitable in countless other poor American neighbourhoods.
Yes I do. I just gave you one;
Not a word about the atrocities that produced the heads, it's all about "images". Sharrouf had already tweeted these images to his mates in the Muslim community, to show what a great time he was having, and encourage more recruits to the cause of the Islamic State.
I fully understand the Left's desire not to upset the Islamic Community. After all there are several marginal Labor seats in Sydney's West that hinge on the Islamic vote.
NSW Islamic Council head Khaled Sukkarieh concurred, describing the latest Sharrouf images as “beyond belief”. “To see photos of a seven-year-old being subjected to this kind of rubbish, we condemn it all in the name of Islam,” Mr Sukkarieh said.
It's funny how America is now grappling with how to deal with a militiarised police force that looks like it belong in Baghdad. The statistics on the number of times SWAT is used per year as compared to how often it was 15 years ago is amazing, something like a ten fold increase. Especially when considered against the backdrop of falling crime. The ramp up all started so that police would have a counter terrorist ability. For many in America, especially poor blacks, they now live in a dystopian police state.
When you chip away at people's liberties, this is where you end up...
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What is he concurring with? Because it sounds like he like the rest of us believes the image is beyond belief because who would subject a child to this sort of activity. In your quote he didn't once blame the media for publishing the images.
Vatican calls on Muslim leaders to condemn Christian persecution in Iraq
Statement suggests dialogue with Islamic representatives may be cut if leaders fail to denounce crimes in name of religion
No of course he didn't. How could he? As i told you these images were already common knowledge in rhe Muslim community. There was not a peep out of their leaders, until The Australian splashed them as headlies and put them under the spotlight.
I don't know who you are referring to as "the rest of us". I imagine they all share your political views.Your views remind me of Neville Chamberlin who brandished his “piece of paper” and proclaimed “peace for our time”, after returning from Munich. His appeasemnt of the Nazi regime allowed Hitler a free hand to run riot in Europe.
Why do you think the Islamist leaders haven't condemned the atrocities against Christian minorities in Iraq by The Islamic State?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...im-leaders-condemn-christian-persecution-iraq
On Monday at the Lakemba mosque, to mark the end of Ramadan, the president of the Lebanese Muslim Association Samier Dandan delivered a speech attacking the Abbott government for its support of Israel and praising the Labor Party for its apparent about-face two days earlier.
The politics of marginal Western Sydney seats appears to be the driver of the change in Labor’s policy on Israel; namely, that the NSW Labor Right is concerned about the Muslim vote in Sydney.
No of course he didn't. How could he? As i told you these images were already common knowledge in rhe Muslim community. There was not a peep out of their leaders, until The Australian splashed them as headlies and put them under the spotlight.
I don't know who you are referring to as "the rest of us". I imagine they all share your political views.Your views remind me of Neville Chamberlin who brandished his “piece of paper” and proclaimed “peace for our time”, after returning from Munich. His appeasemnt of the Nazi regime allowed Hitler a free hand to run riot in Europe.
Why do you think the Islamist leaders haven't condemned the atrocities against Christian minorities in Iraq by The Islamic State?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...im-leaders-condemn-christian-persecution-iraq
By the sounds of it you're all for another Australian soldier presence on the ground in Iraq and the middle east? What kind of military solution are you proposing? Do you expect it to go better than Afghanistan and Iraq? What's the goals and how will they be achieved?
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