The Turnbull Government

[PZ.]

I think Turnbull should leave the Libs and stand as an independent

 

[dutchie]

I think Turnbull should leave the Libs and stand as an independent

More likely as a Labor candidate.

 

[PZ.]

More likely as a Labor candidate.

LOL - anyone who's seen Bill Shortens' kitchen would never want to lead the ALP.

It's full of red and blue knives

His fireplace is even more egregious...

 

[fiftyeight]

Take the NEG to Parliament with a carbon emissions target legislated and put the pressure on his back bench and ALP to actually take a stance. Go out swinging and let the chips fall where they fall

 

[IFocus]

More likely as a Labor candidate.

True Labor is more like the Liberal party of old now.

 

[IFocus]

Dutton as PM.....you couldn't make that up could you.

So how many PMs has Abbott brought down now?

 

[PZ.]

Dutton as PM.....you couldn't make that up could you.

So how many PMs has Abbott brought down now?

You know you gotta problem when members of your own party want you to leave unilaterally.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-...ny-abbott-to-quit-federal-parliament/10145006

 

[wayneL]

True Labor is more like the Liberal party of old now.

Surely you jest.

I don't recall the Liberal Party of old being postmodernist cultural Marxists; that's the Liberal Party of *today.

 

[Knobby22]

Never seen a party commit suicide before.
Turnbull will quit forcing an election.
Labor are going to have a huge majority after this so the right wing of the Libs can feel pure. They will of course blame Turnbull for their predicament.

 

[Smurf1976]

So far as I'm concerned the Liberals are far too ideologically driven with their right wing corporate welfare & bash those genuinely in need stuff whilst handing out $ billions in welfare to those who don't need it.

Turnbull's the only one they've had in a while who seemed to have any real intelligence so it's not surprising others would want him out, he shows them up too much.

Sadly I don't think Labor's much good either.

 

[Smurf1976]

What a waste of our money; it's just a big taxpayer funded circle-jerk. They're the best advertisement for why anyone with half a brain would never go into politics.

I gave it a serious thought once but concluded that anyone who made a real effort and had any good ideas would be cut down in practice and that goes for either party.

What I've seen unfold with Turnbull and others confirms that view and I suspect that most who have ever considered it would have similar conclusions. Any other job from professions to trades to things like cleaning or driving buses all offers a far greater prospect of success and actually getting something done. If politics was compared to bus driving, well you'd be lucky to complete the route even once without someone hijacking the bus and throwing you out the window.

 

[overhang]

So he has two options really and none are a winnable position, he can try harder to appease the right faction of the liberal party but as proven during Abbott's time as PM this isn't popular with the electorate. Or he can have a policy shift to try and win back those swinging voters that have deserted his party but then he will be ousted by the right wing of his party, I doubt the electorate will trust any commitments he makes anyway knowing that the right in the party will overthrow his leadership abandoning Turnbulls policies in the process.

 

[sptrawler]

At least giving everyone a go as P.M, they probably qualify for a bigger pension.

 

[Smurf1976]

he can try harder to appease the right faction of the liberal party but as proven during Abbott's time as PM this isn't popular with the electorate. Or he can have a policy shift to try and win back those swinging voters that have deserted his party but then he will be ousted by the right wing of his party

So basically the country is being shafted once again by these so-called "right wing" types.

The "right" does tend to be involved when bad stuff happens yes.

 

[McLovin]

I gave it a serious thought once but concluded that anyone who made a real effort and had any good ideas would be cut down in practice and that goes for either party.

We recently had a local issue that required us to engage with local and state politicians and ministers. I've never been involved in any of that sort of stuff and it was pretty eye opening. We had some pretty big swinging d!cks on our committee so we had a real leg up in getting high level access plenty of media exposure in the SMH/Daily Tele/AFR/even 2GB etc, but undeniably the most useful at both state and local were the independent councillors and our local independent state MP. The big party around here is Liberal and they dominate the local council and they were absolutely useless. The independent councillors actually reached out to us because they had an angle that they thought would help (amazing!) and our local state MP did the same and made himself available at every turn.

For me it was a huge eye-opener. I agree with you that the big party machines tend to end up producing cookie cutter cr@p and cutting people who have good ideas but can't sell them, but I'd never really appreciated the value of strong local independents and their value to the local community.

 

[Tisme]

I wonder if Anning will be asked to lead the Libs?

 

[SirRumpole]

A pretty frightening advance by the hard right of the Liberal Party.

The people who want to privatise everything including Medicare and the ABC, not to mention more assaults on our civil rights and privacy.

Dutton is useless, a man of little intellect but big ambitions.

Fortunately I don't think he'll get near the top job, after today's effort I reckon the Libs are toast.

 

[sptrawler]

Oh well, it gives the media another three months of trash, to fill their papers with. Saves them from having to get out and find a story.
Hopefully Labor win with a massive majority, then at least something can be done, and somebody can be held accountable.
I'm certainly over the last few years, of log jammed politics.

 

[sptrawler]

This article already on the West Australian newspaper website, just highlights what is wrong with our media.
I'm not a fan of Dutton, but if someone else was portrayed the same way, there would be hell to pay. Imagine if it was a coloured person, or a person from a different ethnic background.
It really is outrageous that, because he is a bald white dude, it's acceptable to put it in the paper.

https://thewest.com.au/politics/put...ons-failed-leadership-challenge-ng-b88935337z

The media is just out of control, with bias and dictating what is acceptable and what isn't. IMO

 

[Smurf1976]

The people who want to privatise everything including Medicare and the ABC, not to mention more assaults on our civil rights and privacy.

There's something about the Liberals I just don't get.

By Australian historic standards they're an extreme Right party these days when it comes to government actually doing anything. Examples such as health, utilities and the ABC all come to mind - it's privatise the lot.

The same party hands out welfare to the middle classes who don't need it. Blatant vote buying in the guise of socialism.

Given I'm more worried about the former category I consider them as being way too far to the right Right these days but someone with different priorities could argue they're too far to the Left with all the intervention in peoples lives and middle class welfare.

In 2018 the Liberals stand for ????

That's not to say Labor's great, they're not, but their overall approach does seem a bit more consistent than the Liberals'. Labor goes about as far to the Left as the Liberals do but they don't go anywhere near as far to the Right so their policies seem a lot more consistent overall.