The Turnbull Government

[Smurf1976]

Sadly I think this is what happens in a country with many years of uninterrupted prosperity achieved "easily" through reliance on natural resources and a fair bit of sheer good luck.

The standard of governance declines.

There are no doubt some exceptions globally, eg Norway is one, but broadly speaking it seems to be the case that "easy" wealth doesn't result in a government that is both a strong leader and democratically elected. With easy money one aspect, strong leadership or democracy, tends to fail and sometimes both.

I hate to say it but I think it will take some "disaster" of sorts to produce strong leadership from either side of politics. Something drastic that forces real leadership to emerge from one party or the other.

 

[luutzu]

Sadly I think this is what happens in a country with many years of uninterrupted prosperity achieved "easily" through reliance on natural resources and a fair bit of sheer good luck.

The standard of governance declines.

There are no doubt some exceptions globally, eg Norway is one, but broadly speaking it seems to be the case that "easy" wealth doesn't result in a government that is both a strong leader and democratically elected. With easy money one aspect, strong leadership or democracy, tends to fail and sometimes both.

I hate to say it but I think it will take some "disaster" of sorts to produce strong leadership from either side of politics. Something drastic that forces real leadership to emerge from one party or the other.

What we need is another Paul Keating. Don't we, McGee?

While great leadership will do wonders, I think we shouldn't hold our breath for one.

The plebs better get organised and politically active to force any real change. Else it'll just be the same old bs with different flavours. One party doing one segment of the corporate world's bidding... upset the plebs they voted them out; new group comes in, same stuff to the other business interests; plebs vote them out... round and round it goes.

It'll only be through mass movement that "great leadership", or opportunistic ones, will come about and "lead". Else it'll just spiral until Beijing comes knocking.

Well, a Napoleon, or a Stalin, Mao... might rise out of mass movements so I guess lesson is to not burnt stuff down, just enough pitchforks to start them wetting their pants a bit should move things in the right direction.

 

[wayneL]

What we need is another Paul Keating. Don't we, McGee?

While great leadership will do wonders, I think we shouldn't hold our breath for one.

The plebs better get organised and politically active to force any real change. Else it'll just be the same old bs with different flavours. One party doing one segment of the corporate world's bidding... upset the plebs they voted them out; new group comes in, same stuff to the other business interests; plebs vote them out... round and round it goes.

It'll only be through mass movement that "great leadership", or opportunistic ones, will come about and "lead". Else it'll just spiral until Beijing comes knocking.

Well, a Napoleon, or a Stalin, Mao... might rise out of mass movements so I guess lesson is to not burnt stuff down, just enough pitchforks to start them wetting their pants a bit should move things in the right direction.

Agreed, but the problem partly lies with the electorate also, for some of the same reasons.

There is just not the critical mass of plebeians in the back shed searching for that old pitchfork while they are distracted by the trivialities of intersectionality and smashed avacado </tongueonlypartlyincheek>

 

[Tisme]

If they think they are getting votes with Dutton, then libs have completely lost the plot. Seriously, are they that bloody thick.

Dutton = Trojan horse

 

[Tisme]

Agreed, but the problem partly lies with the electorate also, for some of the same reasons.

There is just not the critical mass of plebeians in the back shed searching for that old pitchfork while they are distracted by the trivialities of intersectionality and smashed avacado </tongueonlypartlyincheek>

The bigger concern for LNP PMs is when Rupert comes to town .... guess what...

Add in the Abbott & Costello duo, the latter being in charge of the Nine Network.

 

[dutchie]

If they think they are getting votes with Dutton, then libs have completely lost the plot. Seriously, are they that bloody thick.

You may be unpleasantly surprised. They need to do something as Turnbull is pathetic.
The electorate needs and is looking for a "Trump".

 

[moXJO]

You may be unpleasantly surprised. They need to do something as Turnbull is pathetic.
The electorate needs and is looking for a "Trump".

The conservatives have been too invasive into people's privacy. Cash restrictions, data logging, geo blocking, internet blocking, big brother like tech snooping. They have no problem restricting freedom.
So they can go jam it up their clacker. I've got no time for attempts at authoritarian govts either side of politics.

Turnbulls biggest problem is he went along with it to appease them. Turnbull is fairly middle of the road. Just doesn't sell well.

 

[fiftyeight]

While Turnbull keeps trying to appease everyone while pleasing no one, he will die a death by a thousand cuts

 

[drsmith]

Malcolm Turnbull in the 3-years since taking the PM-ship from Tony Abbott has clearly been unable to unite the party which is what he needed to do first and foremost to succeed. Too transactional in the end was Malcolm.

It's clear from both Labor and Liberal that political assassination of a PM from by coup from within leaves too much bad blood for that party to be able to govern effectively.

One can only hope at this point that MT will do what Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott couldn't, but I don't hold much hope of that.

 

[moXJO]

While Turnbull keeps trying to appease everyone while pleasing no one, he will die a death by a thousand cuts

This is his big problem. To have a vision for the country means you are going to
pi$$ some people off.

And thats whats lacking right now. Too busy trying to keep everyone happy. Not enough stones to get on with the job and drive the country.

 

[SirRumpole]

Malcolm Turnbull in the 3-years since taking the PM-ship from Tony Abbott has clearly been unable to unite the party which is what he needed to do first and foremost to succeed. Too transactional in the end was Malcolm.

It's clear from both Labor and Liberal that political assassination of a PM from by coup from within leaves too much bad blood for that party to be able to govern effectively.

One can only hope at this point that MT will do what Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott couldn't, but I don't hold much hope of that.

What I don't get it that the majority of the Libs party room seems to be in favour of the neg and the vote proved that.

So why do the few that opposed get all the attention ?

A confident PM would say that he won the vote now lets get on with it and leave the few to mumble into their gins. But instead he's heaving to and fro all over the place trying to make everyone happy, which he never will.

 

[drsmith]

So why do the few that opposed get all the attention ?

Little confidence in the electorate on reducing electricity prices and elected members copping that feedback from their electorates is my guess.

 

[McLovin]

Sadly I think this is what happens in a country with many years of uninterrupted prosperity achieved "easily" through reliance on natural resources and a fair bit of sheer good luck.

Most governments are hopeless. Australia had a good run in the 1980s with Hawke and Keating, but aside from that Australian government has always been pretty mediocre. That is after all the original context of the term "the lucky country".

This is his big problem. To have a vision for the country means you are going to
pi$$ some people off.

And thats whats lacking right now. Too busy trying to keep everyone happy. Not enough stones to get on with the job and drive the country.

Bingo. Get rid of all the half-wit ideologues. Fix up the disaster that is the senate. It's so un-representative of its original purpose these days.

The LNP is history if Dutton is PM.

 

[McLovin]

What I don't get it that the majority of the Libs party room seems to be in favour of the neg and the vote proved that.

So why do the few that opposed get all the attention ?

Because the government has a one seat majority.

 

[Logique]

Little confidence in the electorate on reducing electricity prices and elected members copping that feedback from their electorates is my guess.

Little confidence is right! But nobody that believes electricity prices are coming down, any time soon. Except perhaps Daniel Andrews.

But the punters will go ahead and vote Shorten anyway, as if that will make electricity any cheaper. The renewables target will rise big time under Labor.

 

[SirRumpole]

Because the government has a one seat majority.

They never seem to get that disunity is death. All very well to have disagreements in the Party room, but to air them in public lacks discipline and ruins the party image.

It's now wide open for Labor to go down the "if they can't run their own party they can't run the country" road.

 

[Tisme]

What we need is another Paul Keating. Don't we, McGee?

Yes we need someone who is articulate, astute, head strong, visionary, displeases everyone equally, tells corporate leaders and commo union leaders where to go and makes parliament sittings interesting

 

[Tisme]

Imagine if the Labs did agree ..... that would be like uber inflammatory to the party members who don't want the bill; Malcolm once again blaming everyone else:

 

[Tisme]

Bill Shorten says: "
Do you have any idea what the current government position is? I think it is a fair point, but when you ask us what we will have to do to agree with them, what is their current position?

On Tuesday Mr Turnbull said an emissions target must be legislated. Then he said to not legislated would be an assault on democracy. Then Friday he was prepared to assault democracy. Today, we have our best hieroglyphics alternatives out trying to understand the merchant bankers’ gobbledygook policy this morning. When you have an alternative, come and talk to us. When the Prime Minister says bipartisanship is beyond us, that is unfair. We have been willing to consider whatever proposal they come up with. They don’t have a functioning proposal. Mr Turnbull sat down with us, but that has changed, I can’t keep up with the internal warfare”

 

[Knobby22]

Turnbull should just resign. Abbott will do and say anything to get him, so why continue. Appeasement just weakens him in front of the electorate.

He could have been a good Prime Minister but some of the Libs won't let him due to having a blind point with regard global warming. As if Dutton would get any more votes! This election will hand everything to Labor to do what they want.