Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[wayneL]

good interview. Chomsky's on Trump's presidency.


https://chomsky.info/20161114/

It is deeply ironic that Chomsky invoked Goebbels into his argument, Grasshopper.

Sorry, Noam has lost the plot, no longer deserving of the title of public intellectual, but now ideological leftist advocate.

Vis a vis, what a crock of shyte.

 

[luutzu]

It is deeply ironic that Chomsky invoked Goebbels into his argument, Grasshopper.

Sorry, Noam has lost the plot, no longer deserving of the title of public intellectual, but now ideological leftist advocate.

Vis a vis, what a crock of shyte.

I don't remember reading Goebbels in that interview. He did mention Goebbels and the Nazi in others, but he wasn't pointing to the Republicans saying it.

Define Left, Sifu. The Left isn't the Democratic Party or Labor.

It's hard to argued that a man who says all US president since WW2, by the same standard use at the Nuremberg trial, would be hanged. Hard to say that a man who said all US presidents committed war crimes is a leftist (Dems, Labor).

How many in the media, how many "intellectual" do you hear ever saying that? Maybe Chris Hedges, beside that, nada.

I mean, take Sam Harris - a neuro scientist and intellectual, I guess - listen to the excuses he comes up with for war crimes and terrorism committed by the West: we mean well, so all our killings are ooppsies.

 

[Ves]

It is deeply ironic that Chomsky invoked Goebbels into his argument, Grasshopper.

He didn't. The interviewer did.

 

[noco]

Or... an alternative explanation that isn't highly politicised and seen through the left/right political spectrum is that people, no matter if they are left, right or somewhere in between, are and always have been, deposed to violence when their ideologies/desires are not met (see Will to Power).

Gee whizz, that kind of thinking doesn't sell newspapers though and certainly doesn't give pleasure to those with a big bout of good ol' confirmation bias.

It's any wonder people are angry, the politicisation of everything within the left/right spectrum is absolutely tedious. When it reaches this stage you know that politics has long become just another form of consumer entertainment replete with cheer squads for both sides.

Ves there was no rioting or demonstrations after Obama was elected.

 

[noco]

good interview. Chomsky's on Trump's presidency.


https://chomsky.info/20161114/

Luu, this is what I was referring to before, the socialists left just will not accept democracy so they are now going all out to make life difficult for Trump......They are terrified about a man who is about to stand up to there crap.

I mean, for Chomsky to compare Trump to Goebbels, Hitler and the Nazis is just one of desperation before the man is sworn in as President.

They destroyed Abbott in the same fashion.

The socialist left are wreckers and will stop at nothing to fulfill their dreams of a socialist state.

 

[Ves]

Ves there was no rioting or demonstrations after Obama was elected.

To imply there was no form of protest at all is inaccurate at best, deceitful at worst.

There was a massive spike in hate crimes against black people in the first weeks of his presidency and plenty of racist hate speech by those white men who could not accept that a black man was now their president.

Maybe you don't remember the vivid imagery of nooses and talk of lynching or shooting black people (especially Obama), but I'm fairly sure they do.

There is always some kind of protest after a US election. Especially when it's seen by enough people as divisive like Trump or Obama.

 

[Ves]

I mean, for Chomsky to compare Trump to Goebbels, Hitler and the Nazis is just one of desperation before the man is sworn in as President.

For the second time, Chomsky himself did not compare Trump to Goebbels.

 

[McLovin]

To say there was no form of protest at all is inaccurate at best, deceitful at worst.

There was a massive spike in hate crimes against black people in the first weeks of his presidency and plenty of racist hate speech by those white men who could not accept that a black man was now their president.

Maybe you don't remember the vivid imagery of nooses and talk of lynching or shooting black people (especially Obama), but I'm fairly sure they do.

There is always some kind of protest after a US election. Especially when it's seen by enough people as divisive like Trump or Obama.

The DHS says that right wing extremism is a bigger threat to the US than Islamic extremism. (And it's killed more people since 9/11)

 

[Ves]

The DHS says that right wing extremism is a bigger threat to the US than Islamic extremism. (And it's killed more people since 9/11)

Yep! And they don't even bother using an election as an excuse either.

 

[luutzu]

To imply there was no form of protest at all is inaccurate at best, deceitful at worst.

There was a massive spike in hate crimes against black people in the first weeks of his presidency and plenty of racist hate speech by those white men who could not accept that a black man was now their president.

Maybe you don't remember the vivid imagery of nooses and talk of lynching or shooting black people (especially Obama), but I'm fairly sure they do.

There is always some kind of protest after a US election. Especially when it's seen by enough people as divisive like Trump or Obama.

Not to mention the Birther movement that denies Obama was ever born in the US. Trump caught on to that movement and ran with it until very recently.

 

[Ves]

And seriously, if you think there were no protests re Obama's presidency go and read about the Tea Party and the response they funded.

There's no illusion as to what side of politics those people are from and how dangerous some of their supporters are.

 

[noco]

For the second time, Chomsky himself did not compare Trump to Goebbels.

It does not matter who said it, the inference is still there and shows just how desperate the socialist left really are these days....They will stop at nothing....Time to say goodbye to Socialism

 

[wayneL]

The DHS says that right wing extremism is a bigger threat to the US than Islamic extremism. (And it's killed more people since 9/11)

I agree. And it is the left which is responsible for opening that door.

 

[Ves]

It does not matter who said it, the inference is still there

That's a monumental bit of spinning you've attempted to try and cover what really was a sloppy piece of reading on your part.

Probably easier just to admit you made a mistake. No one will think any less of you.

 

[wayneL]

For the second time, Chomsky himself did not compare Trump to Goebbels.

True, sloppy on my part, eas reading it between jobs.

But Chomsky still perpetuates disingenuous propaganda in his replies. So the irony remains.

 

[Ves]

I agree. And it is the left which is responsible for opening that door.

I don't disagree with that.

However, I think it has more to do with the absence of any real Left in mainstream politics than it does in having too much influence from the so-called Left.

It's fairly complicated in my view, and I'm not really sure I can adequately explain it at this point. But the rapid growth in wealth in the Western world in the 20th century seems to have influenced a shift in "Left" policy.

 

[luutzu]

It does not matter who said it, the inference is still there and shows just how desperate the socialist left really are these days....They will stop at nothing....Time to say goodbye to Socialism

Chomsky did talk of a possible Hitler rising in the US. But he does not have a clown like Donald Trump in mind.

That's what some on the "left" are saying about Trump... but Trump is Hitler-veryLite.

A Hitler, or a Caesar, would upend the current order. And despite the rampant corruption and inequality, we all hope and pray that no one upend the entire system, especially one with nukes and military bases everywhere.

See, a serious danger the US (and Western democracies) are facing is that a honest to God, clean, patriotic and power-hungry maniac step up and take over. Trump is too petty and too busy sexually assaulting women to want to do anything that ambitious and difficult.

If he had, he would have joined the military and go to war in his youth. Instead, he sat around making money and cheating people. Guys like that have as much interest in uprooting the system as he has wanting to be a better man when caught bragging about his sexual assaults.

The political and economic condition in the West is about right for a revolution. You know, you can't have peace and tranquillity when 1% owns practically the entire country while the others are either in debt up to their eyeballs or too poor to be indebted.

The only places you can have that kind of inequality and still have peace would be a police state. So unless the West head that way, it's not going to happen because the masses just wouldn't take it. So either crack their heads (legally) or start changing. And I think we all agree that peaceful change is needed.

Seriously, if we look at any area in any detail... there's just corruption and screwing the poor everywhere. It's just insane.

There's the media; education; infrastructure funding; taxation; finance; investment; life's savings; retirement savings; job security... then of course, politics.

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Socialism was tried in the US and Europe after WW2. It did work.

No, Socialism weren't tried in China or Soviet Union. It was talked about and written about there, but it was implemented in the West.

That is why there is such a thing as medicare, social security, unions to represent the interests of workers when dealing with big employers who aren't shy about screwing their workers. etc. etc

 

[qldfrog]

I don't disagree with that.

However, I think it has more to do with the absence of any real Left in mainstream politics than it does in having too much influence from the so-called Left.

It's fairly complicated in my view, and I'm not really sure I can adequately explain it at this point. But the rapid growth in wealth in the Western world in the 20th century seems to have influenced a shift in "Left" policy.

And absence of real Right as well, politics becomes a lame crowd pleasing exercise with no conviction or ideal...played by professional politicians building a career..Not a nice show,,

 

[noco]

Chomsky did talk of a possible Hitler rising in the US. But he does not have a clown like Donald Trump in mind.

That's what some on the "left" are saying about Trump... but Trump is Hitler-veryLite.

A Hitler, or a Caesar, would upend the current order. And despite the rampant corruption and inequality, we all hope and pray that no one upend the entire system, especially one with nukes and military bases everywhere.

See, a serious danger the US (and Western democracies) are facing is that a honest to God, clean, patriotic and power-hungry maniac step up and take over. Trump is too petty and too busy sexually assaulting women to want to do anything that ambitious and difficult.

If he had, he would have joined the military and go to war in his youth. Instead, he sat around making money and cheating people. Guys like that have as much interest in uprooting the system as he has wanting to be a better man when caught bragging about his sexual assaults.

The political and economic condition in the West is about right for a revolution. You know, you can't have peace and tranquillity when 1% owns practically the entire country while the others are either in debt up to their eyeballs or too poor to be indebted.

The only places you can have that kind of inequality and still have peace would be a police state. So unless the West head that way, it's not going to happen because the masses just wouldn't take it. So either crack their heads (legally) or start changing. And I think we all agree that peaceful change is needed.

Seriously, if we look at any area in any detail... there's just corruption and screwing the poor everywhere. It's just insane.

There's the media; education; infrastructure funding; taxation; finance; investment; life's savings; retirement savings; job security... then of course, politics.

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Socialism was tried in the US and Europe after WW2. It did work.

No, Socialism weren't tried in China or Soviet Union. It was talked about and written about there, but it was implemented in the West.

That is why there is such a thing as medicare, social security, unions to represent the interests of workers when dealing with big employers who aren't shy about screwing their workers. etc. etc

Luu, just more typical Socialists scare tactics...FFS...just give up on it please.
:guitar::headshake

 

[Tisme]

good interview. Chomsky's on Trump's presidency.


https://chomsky.info/20161114/

The preamble seems to be a convenient statement and rather arrogant if the writer thinks Goebbels would be impressed by the grumpy old white man voter turnout doing what old white men tend to do as they age. His target audience would have been the youth vote, which Hillary garnered.

This time around there wasn't a Kenyan, closet muslim candidate to vote for, thus the drop in the black voter turnout.