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Excellent points.
Abbott's counter terrorism measures
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Abu Bakr, Australian ISIS supporter who stormed off SBS Insight, arrested
http://www.news.com.au/national/abu-bakr-australian-isis-supporter-who-stormed-off-sbs-insight-arrested/story-fncynjr2-1227027662421
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Gosh. Those NEW laws have already been so effective.
Oh, actually current laws were already enough....
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Is it just me or Abbott always seem like he's applying for position of Deputy Sheriff to the US?
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I watched those mob movies and the FBI always seem to have a very hard time trying to catch known criminals over the wiretaps... as in, they know who the crims are, they have bugged the phones and the property, are following them every day... and it's almost impossible to catch them.
Yet somehow it's a good idea to cast a wide net over every one of your citizens in hope of getting some lead.
I think these policy makers should've spent more time watching Columbo rather than CSI.
Yet somehow it's a good idea to cast a wide net over every one of your citizens in hope of getting some lead.
I think these policy makers should've spent more time watching Columbo rather than CSI.
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Great observation luutzu! Got me laughing, thanks...
Columbo, "...just one more thing." What a classic!
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Great observation luutzu! Got me laughing, thanks...
Columbo, "...just one more thing." What a classic!
Yea, Columbo is a classic.
Haven't seen anything close to it since. Maybe the UK's 'Sherlock' series.
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With metadata retention... the only good it will do is make Oracle and IBM and the like a lot of money.
Can this possibly happen here in Australia?......you bet it can..... so be afraid.....be very afraid.
I have been saying for months, Islam is not a religion but a political force who are determined to dominate the world......I say close the doors now to any more Muslims entries......Let what is happening in the UK and Europe be a lesson to all of us here in Australia.
You cannot negotiate with these radicals.......they are deeply brainwashed and they will let nothing stand in their way in the name of Allah.
Well worth reading and how true it is!!!
This Will Give You Cold Chills!
Geert Wilders is a Member of the Dutch Parliament.
In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: "Who lost Europe ?" Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons in New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem .
Dear friends,
Thank you very much for inviting me.
I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.
First, I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe .. Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem ..
The Europe you know is changing.
You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.
All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.
There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden .. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.
In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.
Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear '*****, *****'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.
In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.
In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.
Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel .. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.
San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.
Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.
The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .
Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example, against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers', because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.
Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.
The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.
Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel , first, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz , second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.
This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of Jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way, the same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.
The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is Jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.
Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West . It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem ....
Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe 's children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.
We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.
Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, Please send it to every free person that you know, it is so very important.
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I have been saying for months, Islam is not a religion but a political force who are determined to dominate the world......I say close the doors now to any more Muslims entries......Let what is happening in the UK and Europe be a lesson to all of us here in Australia.
You cannot negotiate with these radicals.......they are deeply brainwashed and they will let nothing stand in their way in the name of Allah.
Well worth reading and how true it is!!!
This Will Give You Cold Chills!
Geert Wilders is a Member of the Dutch Parliament.
In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: "Who lost Europe ?" Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons in New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem .
Dear friends,
Thank you very much for inviting me.
I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.
First, I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe .. Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem ..
The Europe you know is changing.
You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.
All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.
There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden .. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.
In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.
Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear '*****, *****'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.
In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.
In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.
Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel .. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.
San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.
Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.
The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .
Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example, against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers', because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.
Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.
The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.
Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel , first, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz , second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.
This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of Jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way, the same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.
The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is Jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.
Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West . It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem ....
Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe 's children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.
We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.
Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, Please send it to every free person that you know, it is so very important.
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According to Michael Ware, apparently even Bin Laden was horrified at the cruelness of the extreme I.S.
From: http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/08/21/4071673.htm
So how will the anti terrorism proposal stop I.S. and the like exactly?
From: http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/08/21/4071673.htm
So how will the anti terrorism proposal stop I.S. and the like exactly?
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The question that hasn't been answered is what do we do with people like that scum that beheaded the journalist when and if they decide to return here ?
If ISIS win they will probably decide to remain in Syria, but if they lose and assuming they survive they will turn tail and ride for cover, which is back in Australia.
There doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it, unless we can prove that they have actually been fighting for ISIS. Maybe put a blanket ban on anyone travelling to Syria, but there are an estimated 150 Australians already fighting there. Maybe they aren't all fighting for ISIS. How do we find out and then what do we do about them ?
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Christmas Island / Naru / Manus Island. Until they're verified as a non threat they can remain quarantined from society.
Stop the Terrorists - not like it's metadata so even Abbott and Brandis should be able to explain it
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I think it is fairly obvious that no half-arsed anti-terrorist proposals will stop the Islamic subjugation of Europe and eventually Australia. In fact they now control 15 Federal seats courtesy of Labor.
http://australian-news.net/articles/view.php?id=238
Ed Kusek has been very quiet about Islam......Ed is a Labor member in Federal parliament ....he is the one who took his oath with one hand on the Kuran.
A lot of the terrorists that have been caught in Australia were caught with wiretap evidence (using existing laws). Thankfully a lot of our homegrown terrorists seem to forget the golden rule that if you are engaged in a criminal conspiracy assume your phone is tapped.
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In Noco's Australia, if China or Japan or other Asian powers were to fight against Australia, there'll be a camp or two outback for all Asian Australians.
Heck, don't think they need to fight against Australia, just fought wars among each other and all Asian Australian are screwed.
Please explain what your post has to do with that Labor Party Muslim Ed Kusek?
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I'm all for wiretaps, satellite and other electronic surveillances.
But to me, they're only useful once you already have your suspect/s. To get a bunch of metadata is a waste of time and money. Not a lot of serious terrorists, organised and trained terrorists, goes to websites or communicate through normal form of communications - I would imagine.
Storing metadata is OK if you have too much money and don't know what else to do about it. But the cost-benefit just isn't there.
For my money, I'd spend those money on training and recruiting spies and agents on the ground; a couple millions or two to turn informers etc.
The 911 hijackers lived in the US for a few years, across a few states, before their planned and organised hijack if I remember right.
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I could be wrong... But I know a thing or two about databases so if my experience from these could somewhat be assumed as similar to the metadata approach, it's doomed.
Databases sounds awesome, sounds like centralised data at your fingertip... but they are very inflexible, any minor changes require months of work and tonnes of money - at least that's what contractors will tell you.
To use it in this way, on an entire population, and in a rapidly changing information age with new devices and technologies, servers and devices that could be accessed outside your jurisdiction... it's an IT contractor's dream and an intelligence agent's nightmare.
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I'm saying you shouldn't be too quick to judge an entire race or religion like you have in post #148.
There are racist Arabs i'm sure, there certainly are Arabs who use religion of Islam to get terrorists to fight the West etc. etc.
Ever wonder if there's some instance when Judaism or Christianity has ever been use to fight wars and commit murder and genocide? Christianity became a state religion because the Emperor Constantine was able to use it effectively and turn the tide of his war.
And while I didn't read the entire article you posted in #148, it's a lie that Israel is fighting for Democracy against terrorists blah blah.
It's fighting for its own colonial expansion; it's subjugating an entire people for at least since 1967 for no other reason than wanting to make Israel the land between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean sea.
To some extend, I honestly don't think you would like Israel too much if you believe what I'm saying about its actions. I'd like to believe that if you take the trouble to look things up, listen to scholars and historians on the subject, that you'll start to see Israel differently too... Just don't hate all Jewish people like you hate all Muslims when you find out.
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With regards to the outback concentration camps... the US interned all American of Japanese descent during WW2. Built a camp and put guards around them and everything.
So if you look at Arabs overseas fighting their own wars and write and believe the stuff you write, not too far to assume what I am assuming.
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for anyone who'd like to listen about what metadata is by people who are able to explain it, along with the pros and cons of exactly what is stored.
http://phildobbie.com/main/podcasts/crosstalk/item/1324-metadata-what-to-keep
http://phildobbie.com/main/podcasts/crosstalk/item/1324-metadata-what-to-keep
Now I wonder why these 80 Australian Muslim leaders are against Abbott's counter terrorism laws?
Where is Ed Kusek?......He has not said a word about all this.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...inst-tony-abbott/story-fnj45fvb-1227034970939
Where is Ed Kusek?......He has not said a word about all this.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...inst-tony-abbott/story-fnj45fvb-1227034970939