Veganism

Garpal Gumnut · 10 May 2019

Value Collector said:
Check out these vegan body builders.

Your body doesn’t need meat to survive or thrive.

The only USA weight lifter qualify for the last olympics was actually a vegan.

Ann can ramble of about protein all she likes, but these guys (and millions of others) are proof plant based protein is all you need.

Think about it, the animals people eat to get protein are vegan, look at the biggest and strongest animals in the animal kingdom eg gorillas, elephants, rhino etc etc all vegan.

Sorry VC, but you are wrong.

We had a statistician stay at the Ross island Hotel and he taught the assembled mob over two weeks until he could get free Legal Aid for his pending divorce the difference between correlation and causation.

He would have described your example as a study of 1. Uno. One bloke.

You cannot extend this to millions.

The weight lifting vegan is a freak of nature, an outlier, similar to the dead parrot.

gg

SirRumpole · 10 May 2019

Garpal Gumnut said:
Sorry VC, but you are wrong.

We had a statistician stay at the Ross island Hotel and he taught the assembled mob over two weeks until he could get free Legal Aid for his pending divorce the difference between correlation and causation.

He would have described your example as a study of 1. Uno. One bloke.

You cannot extend this to millions.

The weight lifting vegan is a freak of nature, an outlier, similar to the dead parrot.

gg

Damn, robbed of the lumberjack skit.

Humid · 10 May 2019

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-had-no-teeth-court-told-20190509-p51lrp.html

Garpal Gumnut · 10 May 2019

Humid said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-had-no-teeth-court-told-20190509-p51lrp.html

Again, to be fair, H, these parents are outliers.

Although to be honest they are outliers of outliers.

Whenever something is taken to extremes, such as dietary restriction, there is the possibility of the sad, bad or plain mad to take it to harmful behaviour.

These parents starved their child through veganism so that she weighed only twice or three times her birth weight at one year of age, was severely malnourished, had no teeth and may be adversely affected for the rest of her life.

gg

StockyGuy · 10 May 2019

Don't worry, we, as in full dietary vegans with no idiosyncratic/occasional exceptions, are still an extremely low percentage of the population. Also many don't last - so you'll get them back at some stage lol.

See https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/...412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why . Title says it all; "84% of Vegetarians and Vegans Return to Meat". That's probably good news for most here.

Joules MM1 · 10 May 2019

how hard can it be to ask?

Garpal Gumnut said:
...you are wrong.
The weight lifting vegan is a freak of nature, an outlier, similar to the dead parrot.

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Value Collector · 10 May 2019

Garpal Gumnut said:
Sorry VC, but you are wrong.

We had a statistician stay at the Ross island Hotel and he taught the assembled mob over two weeks until he could get free Legal Aid for his pending divorce the difference between correlation and causation.

He would have described your example as a study of 1. Uno. One bloke.

You cannot extend this to millions.

The weight lifting vegan is a freak of nature, an outlier, similar to the dead parrot.

gg

When I say millions,

I mean there is millions of vegans, all living happy healthy lives, with no protein issues.

It’s simply a fact, all the amino acids your body needs to generate all the protein you need is available in plants, of it wasn’t then animals wouldn’t exist, because all amino acids come from plants.

Value Collector · 10 May 2019

aus_trader said:
I am not actually trying to increase my protein intake. If you read carefully I actually gave up the protein diet as it was horrible to digest and even worse (awful smell) to pass.

It was just comments about what I found to be suitable to me (balanced diet) and my digestive system, similar to what wayneL found.

If you have eaten meat your whole life, no doubt there is a transition period where you may feel out of sorts.

Just like giving up caffeine, smoking or heroine your body might miss the meat at first, because it might be the first time it had to generate its own creatine or other such molecules.

But just because your body has become dependent on caffeine or heroine, and you feel weird at first avoiding it, doesn’t mean you need it, eg saying I need a moderate amount of meat is like saying I need a moderate amount of caffeine, the truth is you don’t really need it.

Your body will adjust back to its default state perfectly fine.

In regards to Wayne, I think he was probably missing something in his diet, that could easily be replaced without going back to eating dead bodies.

Value Collector · 10 May 2019

Garpal Gumnut said:
Again, to be fair, H, these parents are outliers.

Although to be honest they are outliers of outliers.

Whenever something is taken to extremes, such as dietary restriction, there is the possibility of the sad, bad or plain mad to take it to harmful behaviour.

These parents starved their child through veganism so that she weighed only twice or three times her birth weight at one year of age, was severely malnourished, had no teeth and may be adversely affected for the rest of her life.

gg

Yeah, it’s not like there is a shortage of meat eating child abusers.

Simply being “vegan”, isn’t going to make your kid healthy if you aren’t feeding it at all.

aus_trader · 11 May 2019

Value Collector said:
Your body will adjust back to its default state perfectly fine.

A big assumption here, who says the default for humans is to go back to grazing ?

If you believe in evolution and human history, then we became the most advanced species of Earth partly because the apes who broke away from their cousins to become humans over millennia learnt to build tools to hunt and to bring down prey that were much bigger than them. So all along since the caveman days we have been filling the nutritional gaps in our diet (which is mainly plant based as we are omnivores) with hunted food.

wayneL · 11 May 2019

Value Collector said:
In regards to Wayne, I think he was probably missing something in his diet, that could easily be replaced without going back to eating dead bodies.

No, you must have missed the part where I told you I know my nutrition and metabolism. It is a case if how individuals process different foods... and to repeat once again, the role of chronic inflammation... Many plants are inflammatory to humans, more so some than others.

Here's a test. Try converting a carnivore, say a dog, to veganism. Their health suffers.

wayneL · 11 May 2019

...not to mention the negatives of soy foe males, unless those phytoestrogens are neutralised.

rederob · 11 May 2019

wayneL said:
Here's a test. Try converting a carnivore, say a dog, to veganism. Their health suffers.

And yet there are healthy pandas - evolutionary carnivores!

aus_trader · 11 May 2019

wayneL said:
Here's a test. Try converting a carnivore, say a dog, to veganism. Their health suffers.

Good point Wayne, I know from personal experience it's best to have a diet that fits that species.

Tried to be a herbivore -> My health & gut suffered
Tried to be a carnivore -> My health & gut suffered
Tried to be an omnivore -> My health & gut finally healed itself, so I'll stay in this middle ground no matter what fad trends/diets that come and go along the way...

Others have to find out what their gut is happy digesting (like wayne and myself have), because I don't impose on others that "we as a species must eat a balanced omnivore diet". It could be pure plant based, pure animal based or a mix.

aus_trader · 11 May 2019

wayneL said:
...not to mention the negatives of soy foe males, unless those phytoestrogens are neutralised.

Awesome point mate, and the effects are going to be magnified as we age since the male hormones naturally decline with age.

wayneL · 11 May 2019

rederob said:
And yet there are healthy pandas - evolutionary carnivores!

I don't dispute you can be healthy and vegan, but Pandas are slow and slovenly, even if involuntarily vegan.

My job is physically taxing. I can be completely fine as a vegan in the "eats, roots, shoots, and leaves paradigm.

But in the shifting hot steel or aluminium and supporting equines with lower leg pathologies as you try to work on them paradigm, veganism does not support the engery expended with my metabolism.

Its the difference between hitting the wall at 1:00 pm versus having the energetic stoicism to work on till 11:00pm after a long hard day because an acute laminitic needs you... now.. . tonight... and because of extreme pain is going to be feckin hard work.

SirRumpole · 11 May 2019

Interesting article on plant v animal protein.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/animal-vs-plant-protein

aus_trader · 11 May 2019

SirRumpole said:
Interesting article on plant v animal protein.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/animal-vs-plant-protein

Very good Article SirRumpole,it looks at both sides of the equation (animal protein vs plant protein).

I think it also re-enforces that there is no right or wrong but it's an individual choice based on what suits your body/digestive system and even as wayneL pointed out what you do in life.

rederob · 11 May 2019

wayneL said:
I don't dispute you can be healthy and vegan, but Pandas are slow and slovenly, even if involuntarily vegan.

So is a massive slab of the population, and most are not vegan!
There are lots of sources of protein and energy which do not require meat eating, so I do not agree with your point about what your metabolism needs.
I suspect you ideas are more about personal preference than physiological requirement.

aus_trader · 11 May 2019

rederob said:
So is a massive slab of the population, and most are not vegan!
There are lots of sources of protein and energy which do not require meat eating, so I do not agree with your point about what your metabolism needs.
I suspect you ideas are more about personal preference than physiological requirement.

Please read SirRumpole's article above as it highlights the lack of certain amino acids in plant based proteins. So it's not some dreamt up argument why there is a lack of energy, it's based on facts.

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