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Trump Era 2025-2029 : Stock and Economic Comment


Behind the Trump tariffs and the country-to-country discussions are serious global economic and defence issues which are rarely discussed.
The best economic explanation I can find for the Trump strategies is contained in a recent 41-page essay by Hudson Bay Financial senior strategist Stephen Miran.
Miran explains America’s status as reserve currency carries the burden of an overvalued currency, which erodes the competitiveness of its export sector. America wants to retain its status as the world reserve currency, but is unwilling to bear the pain created by the hollowing out of its industrial base created by reserve currency structures.
Because America provides reserve assets to the world, there is massive global demand for US dollars and treasury securities, which is not rooted in balancing trade or in optimising risk-adjusted returns. These trillions of dollars of capital inflow artificially boost the US dollar.
Then, the US spends the money on low-priced imported goods, which decimates American manufacturing and surrounding service industries. This creates great hardship in selected geographic areas, but buoyancy in the financial sector.
American exports are curbed not only by the high dollar, but because many countries have tariffs and other protection systems. The combination means the rest of the world grows at the expense of the US, which has massive current account deficits.
Accordingly, the US’s share of global GDP halved from 40 per cent of global GDP in the 1960s to 21 per cent in 2012, and has recovered slightly to its present level of 26 per cent.
Eventually, there is a “tipping point” where the deficits and economic shrinking become large enough to induce credit risk in the reserve asset. The reserve country may then lose reserve status, ushering in a wave of global instability.

 
China is a nation of producers, if they cannot sell their product they are buggered.
if all those factories don’t keep going the peasants will revolt.
The US is a nation of consumers, and is by far their biggest market.
They have been trying to get around tariffs by shipping stuff to intermediate countries and then on shipping and pretending they were made in the intermediates.
They cannot get away with that much longer.
the US will suffer, but not necessarily as much as the Chinese.
Both countries have enormous structural and in Chinas case, enormous demographic issues, the US less so.
I don’t know how all this will play out, but there are so many complexities and variables, if anyone gets the eventual outcome correct it will be a fluke, ot because of analytical skills.
Mick
 
China is a nation of producers, if they cannot sell their product they are buggered.
they can/will still sell just maybe not to the US or EU

i know both are unbelievably ego-centric but more than half the world is neither USA or EU

if China makes better and more value-added goods they will be fine , they have a way out without excessive pain ( and after all the previous purges in China , they know what REAL pain is )


 
@divs4ever If the fading memory is correct didn't a lot of the booze during Prohibition come in from Canada on a paved road paid for by the US via the POTUS of the day????
 
It applies to Australia as well. We tie ourselves too closely to foreign countries. Britain did us over during WW2 by abandoning us at the fall of Singapore and again when they joined the EU and overnight stopped buying our exports.

We are now tied in too closely with the US. Our Western towns are dying, even though we have riches in our mines there, because of fly in fly out FIFO workers. The only people who benefit from FIFO are Airlines ultimately owned by foreigners, Boeing and foreigners like Alan Joyce. Mt. Isa and Cloncurry are heading the same way with FIFO. We need to do what we can to develop Australia via internal investment and infrastructure rather than relying on the Americans.

gg
 

It will be interesting to see where the numbers land inflation will be countered by currency and oil possible drop off in demand due to tariffs would be my worry just cannot see US incomes rising, will take time to see the trends.
 
@divs4ever If the fading memory is correct didn't a lot of the booze during Prohibition come in from Canada on a paved road paid for by the US via the POTUS of the day????
some from Canada ( whether made there or not ) but plenty was made in rural areas with heaps of woods/trees and hardly a driveable track , in fact moonshine might still be widely made ( in small quantities even today )

but the main thing about the Prohibition is it made 'illegal ' socially acceptable and widely tolerated

a far heavier version of marijuana use in the '70's and '80's
 
QFT

Young people do most of the consuming of "stuff" so if you make "stuff" then you need a young country to sell to - either internally or if you don't have it internally you sell to younger people overseas, but that assumes that the younger people overseas aren't buying their own self-produced "stuff".

Trump is simply taking a sledgehammer to that process, forcing the americans to buy from elsewhere/internally and the chinese to find another market to sell to.
 
Meanwhile, the AUD seems to have consolidated at its below 60 level with spy futures now at -2.7 rather than the -1.7 they were a couple hours after the U.S close.

Brent crude is down 4% and gold is up 1%
 
@over9k just musing here. If the tariffs on China and theirs on good 'ol US of A stay in place, will China then start off loading to another country that the mad POTUS sort of deals with, thus getting around the corner and back into that market???
 
Yesterday's ABC Radio " Nightlife " features finance guy Roger Montgomery on Trump and various other economic stuff .
Podcast out now . 50 minutes .
 
@over9k just musing here. If the tariffs on China and theirs on good 'ol US of A stay in place, will China then start off loading to another country that the mad POTUS sort of deals with, thus getting around the corner and back into that market???
I can certainly see them trying it but I mean, where can they export to first that has both favourable (lower) tariff conditions and isn't going to just cost them the difference in fuel?

But ignoring that, contrary to popular belief, whilst the senior ranks of government (the public service) are all too often evil, they're generally not stupid. They're going to know as soon as anyone tries to sneak something past them, so to speak.

Were I in their position then if, say, australia tried what you're suggesting then I'd just reply with some variation of "We know what you're doing, you're going to stop it, and if you don't, we'll just hit you with higher tariffs until you do".
 
Absolutely, the U.S has put high tariffs on countries that are affiliated with China, to stop them channeling through them.

IMO this is about decoupling China's exponential growth and the U.S retaining the reserve currency status.

Also IMO our mineral exports are in for a hiding to nothing, our Govt will be crapping themselves IMO
 
Add up all the other countries and the US is barely be a blip.

 
Absolutely, the U.S has put high tariffs on countries that are affiliated with China, to stop then channeling through them.
Yeah that's the thing about this stuff - unlike a court of law where what you know and what you can prove beyond reasonable doubt, you don't have to prove a damn thing to just slap someone with a tariff or embargo or even a full on blockade if you want to start really turning the screws.

Reality is that an embargo is the next escalation but that I'm very doubtful about because as I keep trying to mention to everyone, the tariff revenue and the corresponding difference it'll make to various (not least of all, the U.S's) budget position is not insignificant. An embargo would only serve to cut off that revenue.

I still think this whole tariff business is just a tax increase to fix the government's fiscal position masquerading as everything else.

That's not to say that there isn't an issue with trade deficits and one sided tariffs and so on but I'm still very skeptical that all of that is the primary reason for them.

You know that infamous movie line "It's quiet... too quiet"?

Well, I think the media are being too quiet about it, if you catch my drift
 
I've got another one of my economics lesson posts to make in a bit but I'm tired as fcuk and need a shower so might not make it until the morning. Watch this space.
 
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