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Trading as an 'income'

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Hopefully this is a bit of food for thought and discussion material.

Since having started trading full time as of 01/11/2012 I have learned a lot of lessons about trading that I would not have otherwise even thought about.

1. Trading results are not linear - one must remove the idea of I'll just make $XXX dollars per day and that makes $X per week etc.
I have learned that the way I trade US treasuries is basically mediocre days followed by one big 'earning' day and the same with the MHI and HSI.

2. Position sizing does not have to be fixed when trading discretionary - I now know the types of days on which the 'style/method' I trade works very well and the ones on which it doesn't. When I spot the characteristics of these favourable sessions developing I start to increase my size to make the most of the conditions; thus far it has worked very well.
And on the flip side, as soon as I see an inkling of the opposite I drop my positions right down which has saved bank account damage from a string of losses.

3. Do no harm - I think T/H coined the phrase for me, but it is 100% right. To have to work your way out of a hole over a couple of days is bad enough let alone if it were weeks/months.

4. Be careful when withdrawing funds from the trading account -
It can do funny things to ones mentality when withdrawing funds; I took a fair heap out to travel and enjoy christmas this year with my lady and I had a losing week first week back combined with the already decreased account size made for a miserable mindset trying to revenge trade my way up and inevitably losing more.

5. Trading really is a great lifestyle but don't expect excitement all the time lol, there's alot of waiting and sitting on your hands so as not to over trade and force trade.

6. I am never going to trade Late Dec. again. Lesson learned; conditions did not facilitate profit with how I trade.

I would be interested to hear of others thoughts and input on similar issues.
 
Hi , I am new to the whole trading stocks and option for income. I wonder what is your thought for some one very new to the whiole processes
1 which is best account Nab or Mlc?
2 good course to attend or book to read?
3 can I do it as part time or during the day?
4 do u do it in other countries like USA?

Thanks for your time?
 
Love to hear your thoughts on journaling.
 

This is only my opinion so make sure you look into it yourself, but the best account would be a combo of:
1. - access to the markets you want
- $$ lowest commissions
-reliability (Look for something with a good name on the forum is a good place to start, though don't end there!)

2. Have you looked into different kinds of trading? e.g. do you know the difference between EOD and daytraders, swing trading, scalping, investing, system trading, etc.
A great place to start is here:
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14370
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7

3. Yes, the possibilities are endless as long as you can prove profitability with the way you trade. Whether you want to put your orders in each morning and night, or be on the maintenance train and check your position all day and adjust accordingly is up to how you learn/want to trade.

4. Yes, I trade the US treasuries futs, and the Singapore index; again there are a world of possibilities.

By the sounds of the stage you're at, the biggest things right now would be to save as much money as you can working your job and then when you finally come to time to trade, risk about 99% less than what you think you'll be able to handle.

All the best with your journey. Don't blow up!!!
 

Thanks a lot , I m outing money aside and doingmy study bit this stage
Wishing you Good luck
 
Good on you for having the guts to make a living from the markets-not many people would be able to say the same. What percentage of your total wealth would you say is sensible to devote to speculative trading? My personal figure would be something in the range of 5%, i.e if you had a net worth of 2 million dollars you would devote no more than $100,000 to speculation and keep the rest in term deposits, gold, land, property, dividend-paying blue chip shares, etc in order to provide steady, lower-risk returns and preserve wealth. I guess its all down to the amount of risk you are willing to make and the returns you are after ( if done well speculative trading could easily make you 20% returns a year, whilst the lower risk investments aforementioned would be lucky to bring you maybe 6% returns). I'd be keen to hear your personal views on this, thanks.
 
I trade for living and to tell you the truth, I am not really happy with it.
Most of my trades end up in losses. I don't know why?
 
I am also new top the trading scene and has yet to learn a lot from the veterans like you are. One thing that my mentor taught me that I always keep in mind is that the in trading, the greater the risk, the higher is the return. Thanks for sharing the lessons you've learned, I will also keep them in mind.

- T.S., personal injury lawyer
 

I have traded using the CMC platform for years. Very good.
Trading your way to financial freedom. Dr Tharp is a great book
look at elliottwave.com for global markets
aussie stocks i use fwtc.com.au
trading US stocks is fine just follow your rules. CMC covers this as good as anyone else.

All the best
 
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