The Turnbull Government

[PZ.]

Turnbull has caved in.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/bank...rnment-to-set-up-inquiry-20171129-gzvlfr.html

 

[Tisme]

Turnbull has caved in.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/bank...rnment-to-set-up-inquiry-20171129-gzvlfr.html

Using the Sam Dastyari smoke to soften the backdown.

 

[Tisme]

Dastyari has issued statement in the Senate to explain he has never had security briefings. Let alone release them to the Chinese.

He has resigned his Senate management position.

 

[SirRumpole]

Turnbull has caved in.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/bank...rnment-to-set-up-inquiry-20171129-gzvlfr.html

I think that the banks have convinced him that it's better for them to have an enquiry under an LNP government where they can be gone soft on instead of under a Labor government when the knives will really go in.

 

[Tisme]

I think that the banks have convinced him that it's better for them to have an enquiry under an LNP government where they can be gone soft on instead of under a Labor government when the knives will really go in.

No it was to head of bad news about the industry before it happened later in the morning.

 

[drsmith]

Malcolm was certainly on happier turf talking about very naughty boy Samuel when the question about him came from a journalist.

Relatively speaking, ScoMo seemed less downbeat than MT. Malcolm looked very resigned about the whole thing.

 

[sptrawler]

I think that the banks have convinced him that it's better for them to have an enquiry under an LNP government where they can be gone soft on instead of under a Labor government when the knives will really go in.

There is no winning with you guys, is there. lol

 

[SirRumpole]

There is no winning with you guys, is there. lol

Not in cases of baldfaced hypocrisy.

 

[sptrawler]

Not in cases of baldfaced hypocrisy.

Well it will be interesting to see what Labor do, when they get in.
I didn't see them do much to the banks, when they were last in office.

 

[drsmith]

Draft terms of reference

https://www.pm.gov.au/sites/default/files/media/terms-of-reference.pdf

 

[sptrawler]

I personally think it is time Turnbull pulled up stumps, he has had a couple of goes and still doesn't cut.

Better all round if he moves over, and gives a new face time to settle into the big chair. IMO

 

[Tisme]

I personally think it is time Turnbull pulled up stumps, he has had a couple of goes and still doesn't cut.

Better all round if he moves over, and gives a new face time to settle into the big chair. IMO

Sam perhaps?

 

[PZ.]

I personally think it is time Turnbull pulled up stumps, he has had a couple of goes and still doesn't cut.

Better all round if he moves over, and gives a new face time to settle into the big chair. IMO

Any nominations? I guess it comes down to Julie Bishop, ScoMo or Dutto.

 

[sptrawler]

Any nominations? I guess it comes down to Julie Bishop, ScoMo or Dutto.

I think it is time for the next generation, there is very little talent on either side of politics, in the older brigade.

 

[Tisme]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP10qoyVwAEG9kf.jpg:large

 

[SirRumpole]

What the banks don't want in the Royal Commission.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-...operty-lending-to-fall-under-scrutiny/9211376

 

[Smurf1976]

So who is the Liberal Party's base ?

They seem to have diminished rapidly over the last few years.

Same could be said for Labor and the Greens.

Labor used to represent the workers, that's what the party was formed to do, but it would be hard to argue that this is still really the case today.

Greens used to stand up for the environment, the party itself is the direct descendant of an environmental group which got themselves into parliament, but apart from a few media releases they're not really in that space these days to anywhere near the extent they once were.

As for the Liberals, well the best I can work out is that they represent some business interests but certainly not all business by any means. Sort of a boys club really - they'll look after you if you're in the club but aren't much help for the rest.

Thinking about it logically, having a party that represents labour, a party that represents capital and a party that represents the natural world seems a pretty logical thing to do since that covers all bases.

They've all lost focus these days in my view so it's a case of "least bad" rather than any of them actually being good apart from the occasional independent who at least brings some intelligence into parliament (Andrew Wilkie comes immediately to mind there).

 

[SirRumpole]

Thinking about it logically, having a party that represents labour, a party that represents capital and a party that represents the natural world seems a pretty logical thing to do since that covers all bases.

I've often thought that a "Consumer Party" would represent a far wider portion of the electorate since we are all consumers in one way or another but we don't have a party specifically representing us. As consumers run the economy, without consumers there is no business, the statement "what is good for consumers is good for the economy" is more easily defendable than "what is good for business is good for the economy" , as we are now finding out with stagnant wages and high non discretionary bills a significant drain on the economy.

Trouble with the Labor Party is that you still have to be a union member to be a member of the Labor Party. So if you are self employed tradie, small business owner, professional person , retiree or a stay at home parent the Labor Party is not interested in your opinion. They will take your vote but you can't contribute to their policy. So myopic.

As for the Libs, they only represent big business these days. They may have represented aspirational middle class voters at one stage, but now they are just interested in privatisation and setting themselves up as company directors after they retire.

The Greens are still working themselves out. They are valuable as an environmental and social conscience but as for having economic credibility, I don't think so.

As for the Nats, their only interest is BIG agri business, small farmers mean nothing to them.

The best politicians are independents imo. Peter Andren, Tony Windsor, Wilkie as you mentioned, Oakeshot, Xenophon could hold an electorate on their own merit without party support. They acted directly for their electorates. Maybe that denies them the ability to vote in the national interest if it would negatively affect their vote, but that would be rather rare.

Anyway, nothing will change until the corrupt political donations laws are changed. It's too easy for politicians to be seduced by big money, the man on the street voters just don't rate with them.

 

[Tisme]

Why am I not surprised that the scope will widen to include extra scrutiny of union/industry based super funds.

I recall as far back as the 70's, our corporate super fund had union reps on committee alongside the executives. Strange how 40+ years later we still have the same old bogeyman, vote catching rubbish being peddled out by the LNP and in retaliation the ALP

 

[Tisme]

A Nats leader has publically asked for Malcolm to quit.

There is no leadership" "A coalition government in disarray" "I've lost all hope in the Prime Minister" "Turnbull is the problem" "He should step down" "go before Christmas"