The Turnbull Government

[sptrawler]

Who is your ideal choice ?

My bets would be a younger up and coming prospect, it really is time to move on from the elders IMO, Morrison has missed the boat, Abbott has also past his window of opportunity, same with Bishop.
I think they need to start with the next generation, we are 10 years past the GFC, time to change the old guard, technology and ideology has moved on.

 

[IFocus]

IFocus, if you are still living on sites (in my case mining) you will also know the balance has been pushed too far and there are ridiculous H&S attitude which in my opinion remove responsabilities and actually end up being dangerous; we have also seen the desmise of something called common sense.
How many inductions have ytou done in the last 3 months of work (half a dozen for me) which are usually pointless..during the same time, australians are drugged on prescribed medecine, commit suicide at a record levels.And how many death will our dying economy cause ? depression for breadwinner unable to find a job ? These are the real questions
we do not need to go down to the lowest denominator but we need H&S/work relation not to be a gravy train for so many

I feel your pain I unfortunately am still working on a chemical plant site in the top 20 or 10 most hazardous in Australia the hazards are real and people still do really stupid things some are honest mistakes others are sheer lazy.

But H&S helps everyone one to go home in one peace having been seen (in the 70/80's mining) fatality's and working life ending incidents I am happy to cop the rules.

These days its insurance premiums / site manager company prosecutions / and to a smaller degree ligation that drives the processes.

Final note that its well known company's with good / robust safety systems plan and organised work / tasks better.

 

[PZ.]

OH&S laws aren't the problem - it's the people who abuse them for their advantage.
Unions frequently use it as a weapon against productivity. Employers use it as a power trip.
Either way they are there because of previous failures of process that can't be ignored.

@Blennie , you have some funny ideas mate

 

[qldfrog]

Unions frequently use it as a weapon against productivity. Employers use it as a power trip.
Either way they are there because of previous failures of process that can't be ignored.

@Blennie , you have some funny ideas mate

PS do not take me wrong, I am not a rabid anti union or anti H&S advocate, I wear PPE when working on my block, but i do not need a harnest working 1.2m above ground.Productivity in mining in Oz has been falling for years and ridiculous H&S rules are partly to blame, and in the mean time black lungs arte back,
So common sense/brain for worker's own area of responsability and proper site H&S for matters which are important and are site wide (like dust control)
Anyway, I am a proponent of self responsability and minimum external interference for a working society be it government or company so that probably reflects
But who cares, what is important it seems is whether your parents moved in from the UK before a certain date...How do the current main parties expect to be considered with this citizenship saga?
And during that time the world is moving faster than ever leaving us behind

 

[PZ.]

PS do not take me wrong, I am not a rabid anti union or anti H&S advocate, I wear PPE when working on my block, but i do not need a harnest working 1.2m above ground.Productivity in mining in Oz has been falling for years and ridiculous H&S rules are partly to blame, and in the mean time black lungs arte back,
So common sense/brain for worker's own area of responsability and proper site H&S for matters which are important and are site wide (like dust control)
Anyway, I am a proponent of self responsability and minimum external interference for a working society be it government or company so that probably reflects
But who cares, what is important it seems is whether your parents moved in from the UK before a certain date...How do the current main parties expect to be considered with this citizenship saga?
And during that time the world is moving faster than ever leaving us behind

I share / applaud your values of self responsibility. I think the real problem is we live in a 60 minute style limp wristed world of litigation where employers / unions / staff are forced to be so pedantic that it's a pain in the appendix and turning this country into a nation of pussies.

Example: I could slip on a chip and sue the supermarket if I needed money for a holiday because the law allows it and the insurance fraternity enjoys the huge profits it generates.

The citizenship saga is great for the media but the end game for unwilling participants is likely to be increased popularity from sympathetic voters at a by election. Which is probably why more MPs are stepping up

 

[moXJO]

Ohs laws are to protect stupid workers. Which is pretty much all of them. I agree that its a parasitic industry, full of tossers with an ego trip. If anyone remembers the 90s then they would remember all the workerscomp scams going on. Employees throwing themselves off scaff to claim back injuries. Or whole families on workers comp because they all scammed the system.
Thats part of the reason why the laws are strict now. Too many scammers.

 

[Tisme]

Ohs laws are to protect stupid workers. Which is pretty much all of them. I agree that its a parasitic industry, full of tossers with an ego trip. If anyone remembers the 90s then they would remember all the workerscomp scams going on. Employees throwing themselves off scaff to claim back injuries. Or whole families on workers comp because they all scammed the system.
Thats part of the reason why the laws are strict now. Too many scammers.

It also provides jobs for white collar workers and mono syllabic site managers who delight in making rules that can be policed thus making more progress sapping activity for their non productive and boring existence.

 

[drsmith]

Labor has rolled out former NSW Labor premier Kristina Keneally as its candidate for the upcoming Bennelong by-election.

 

[moXJO]

Labor has rolled out former NSW Labor premier Kristina Keneally as its candidate for the upcoming Bennelong by-election.

Eddies prize poodle.
Good luck with that...

 

[Tisme]

Eddies prize poodle.
Good luck with that...

 

[moXJO]

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If libs lose the seat to her, then they are in real trouble. I'd be surprised if anyone but the diehards give her a tick.

On another note Bill Shorten is looking a bit like golem in a suit of late. Stress must be getting to him.

 

[Tisme]

If libs lose the seat to her, then they are in real trouble. I'd be surprised if anyone but the diehards give her a tick.

On another note Bill Shorten is looking a bit like golem in a suit of late. Stress must be getting to him.

She has everything going for her in the Labor Movement: female & rabid feminist.... everything right there that the ALP stands for except she may not fill the trifecta because of outward heterosexuality.

 

[SirRumpole]

An excellent analysis of why this country is going backwards despite job creation, and our reliance on the immigration Ponzi scheme.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-...ont-be-get-a-bump-in-pay-anytime-soon/9166906

 

[Tisme]

An excellent analysis of why this country is going backwards despite job creation, and our reliance on the immigration Ponzi scheme.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-...ont-be-get-a-bump-in-pay-anytime-soon/9166906

For a man who supposedly knows business, if Malcolm was complicit chairman of a company that increased it's shareholders debt from $184bn to $595bn since 2013 he'd be getting the heave ho. If his company workforce had stagnated into a moribund gang who had no incentive to keep a job other paying off their mortgages he'd be looking for ways to increase industry and growth instead of telling stories how it was someone else's fault. If he replaced the jobs with 417s eventually his business would fail through lack of workforce cohesion. If the company IT dept had opted for the cheapest and cobbled together "framework" he presumably would be demanding to know why it wasn't future proofed to cater for the fastest growing and profitable industry

The LNP/Malcolm has failed to deliver much of anything except blaming Bill Shorten, Labor States and any other commo bogeymen he can think up, but becomes MR Whimpy when it comes to casting Abbott, his real nemesis, out.

 

[Logique]

Plenty of rumours flying around, such as a Bishop/Morrison ticket.

I'd keep an eye on the loyal deputy from this point.

 

[PZ.]

They must want Bennelong real bad if that's true. I'm up for a Bishop/Morrison Govt for as long as they side with the workers and reinstate those damn penalty rates.

This MP threatening to quit... it's not Tony Abbott is it ?

 

[Tisme]

They must want Bennelong real bad if that's true. I'm up for a Bishop/Morrison Govt for as long as they side with the workers and reinstate those damn penalty rates.

This MP threatening to quit... it's not Tony Abbott is it ?

Speculation it's Andrews moving into Cory's party, so the right can lever a leadership change and bring the two of them back as leader (Cory) and deputy (Kevin). Kill off the SSM in the process.

 

[PZ.]

They are better off collecting ALL the conservatives and dropping them off at the Cory Tory party. That way, they can attain their relevancy and political capital from their own work and ideals instead of hijacking the LNP and undermining the Govt.

 

[Tisme]

They are better off collecting ALL the conservatives and dropping them off at the Cory Tory party. That way, they can attain their relevancy and political capital from their own work and ideals instead of hijacking the LNP and undermining the Govt.

It's interesting how they eat their own and just how vicious they would have been to Rudd and Gillard as their sworn enemies. Gillard must have been a great negotiator to get legislation through.

 

[Logique]

They must want Bennelong real bad if that's true. I'm up for a Bishop/Morrison Govt for as long as they side with the workers and reinstate those damn penalty rates.
This MP threatening to quit... it's not Tony Abbott is it ?

Doubt it, TA is a strong party loyalist.

Bennelong by-election is pivotal in my view. I don't see the PM surviving a strong result for the ALP, and Labor's Kristina Keneally is a candidate with plenty of appeal.