The Turnbull Government

[sptrawler]

Is Mal some sort of Manchurian candidate to take out the whole Godamn party? Is that what Labor was so keen on him?

Yes and now the SMH is suggesting Bishop, is the best candidate, that tells you she would be as big a disaster as Malcolm.
Fairfax and labor got Malcolm in, because they new he was a "bunny", they must be wetting themselves with laughter.IMO
Talk about" rope a dope", the LNP need to realise they aren't a Labor Party and grow up.

 

[drsmith]

Malcolm's most important test was to be able to unite the party after taking over the leadership and on that, he failed.

 

[sptrawler]

Malcolm's most important test was to be able to unite the party after taking over the leadership and on that, he failed.

Yes, the only ones he united, were the desperate and insecure ones.
He needs to step down, and give Morrison or a new blood a go, otherwise it will be death by a thousand cuts.IMO

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes, the only ones he united, were the desperate and insecure ones.
He needs to step down, and give Morrison or a new blood a go, otherwise it will be death by a thousand cuts.IMO

Turnbull, like Rudd is too arrogant to step down. Morrison is a loser as well.

Let's face it, two terms is about about all that people are prepared to give any government these days.

The days of Menzies like reigns are gone.

 

[wayneL]

death by a thousand cuts.IMO

I suspect the Liberal party is finished. there is no cohesive ideology or apparent doctrine, apart from trying to ot Labor, Labor. The vestiges of support more tribal devotion than ideological common ground.

I used to vote Liberal only because it wasn't Labor, now I will vote for something that is neither (and diametrically opposed to the Marxist Greens). I doubt I'll ever vote Liberal ever again.

Meanwhile, I'll derive a little pleasure fron the coming chaos.

 

[Knobby22]

I suspect the Liberal party is finished. there is no cohesive ideology or apparent doctrine, apart from trying to ot Labor, Labor. The vestiges of support more tribal devotion than ideological common ground.

I used to vote Liberal only because it wasn't Labor, now I will vote for something that is neither (and diametrically opposed to the Marxist Greens). I doubt I'll ever vote Liberal ever again.

Meanwhile, I'll derive a little pleasure fron the coming chaos.

The Liberals have forgotten their own philosophy, most of the politicians are looking overseas for their beliefs, around a third are quasi British Conservatives and about a third are quasi USA republicans.

 

[Smurf1976]

I suspect the Liberal party is finished. there is no cohesive ideology or apparent doctrine

Infrastructure falling apart, a hollowed out economy, extraordinary levels of debt, unaffordable housing, stagnant wages and so on.

It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest to see the two major parties struggling (at best) as the outcome of their policies becomes all to apparent.

When something is stuffed that’s when the arguing starts in earnest.

 

[Logique]

The Bernardi Australian Conservatives and the Hanson's One Nation will do record business next election, wait and see.

Many Australian voters will say of the two major parties, "..a pox on both their houses"

 

[Logique]

Have Turnbull and Julie Bishop swapped places. Malcolm swanning around the world having the '..time of his life', doubtless to the envy of The Loyal Deputy.

Meanwhile the Coalition disintegrates like a slow motion train wreck.

 

[Tisme]

Night of the long knives on the agenda for Malcolm.

Next up ...?

 

[SirRumpole]

Night of the long knives on the agenda for Malcolm.

Next up ...?

I think he'll survive. There are two years untill the next election and I don't think that the Libs will ditch him this early.

 

[Tisme]

I think he'll survive. There are two years untill the next election and I don't think that the Libs will ditch him this early.

I'm being bombarded with an upswing Julie Bishop tweets.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes and now the SMH is suggesting Bishop, is the best candidate, that tells you she would be as big a disaster as Malcolm.
Fairfax and labor got Malcolm in, because they new he was a "bunny", they must be wetting themselves with laughter.IMO
Talk about" rope a dope", the LNP need to realise they aren't a Labor Party and grow up.

Who is your ideal choice ?

 

[Blennie]

Is anybody else out there totally fed up with the whole political scene at present? The choices are woefully inadequate - a castrated coalition that can't get anything done and a Labor party who are hell bent at destroying our economy any time they get their hands on it. Also, who else is sick and tired of the slowly strangulating regulation of everything {OH&S} where to actually build anything is an absolute miracle. Who out there voted for the greatest change to our urban landscape - chopping up our once generous landscape into tiny parcels of land that are so small you cannot now grow a tree in your back yard? Cramming more and more people into an ever tightening parcel of land with increasing congestion of our road network is not the way I want to live but our Councils can't believe their luck - more rate payers without having to do anything in return. If I wanted to live in a sardine can, I could move to any country in South East Asia. All these and more trends are what make the political process a farce.

I have a totally radical thought: Why not bring back Real Democracy?

For those who have no idea what that is, it is where a position which is held by >=50% of the population is enacted into law. Eg regarding euthanasia, when >50% of the population want it, we get it. If we want gay, lesbian and I cannot quite make up my mind what to think about my sexuality to get married, then get >50% of the population to vote on it. If they don't, then shut up about it! For too long we have been living by the rule of "He who has the microphone is in charge". That's not democracy, that is something else.

Australia is ruled by two versions of parasites. Labour {i.e. Trade Unions} are parasites in the biological sense that they are organisms that cannot survive on their own initiative but instead have to identify a healthy host on which to pray to extract 100% of their nourishment. Liberals {i.e. Lawyers} are also parasites because you don't see law firms actually making anything - except law firms. Two versions of parasites and you end up with what parasitism delivers in nature - consumption, slow strangulation and ultimate death to both host and parasite.

Our nearest neighbour {New Zealand} is not run by parasites, instead it has been run by business people who understand that first of all, if at the end of the financial year you aren's showing a profit, you need to fold and close shop. That's not good for anybody and so a first principle is to make sure the bills get paid and there is money left over for a rainy day. That is why the NZ budget has been in surplus for > 10 years. We have a spectacular Federal debt that seems to keep growing.

My vote would be to form a totally fresh political party with some basic platforms as follows:

1. Enshrine the principle of democracy. >= 50% of the vote is all it takes to get something approved. < 50% and you can make as much noise as possible but nobody will listen to you.
2. Restore "Natural" balance between Authority and Responsibility. If you are not in Authority, then you cannot be held Responsible. e.g. Airline pilots share both as soon as you hop onto a plane. Prison guards also are the same - simultaneously responsible for prisoner welfare but in absolute authority. This is a healthy "Natural" position. Doctors who get sued by their stupid angry patients who refuse to take their suggestions and silly parents who drive Teachers nuts for non-compliance are examples of an "Unnatural" imbalance between Authority and Responsibility. In neither case do the agents {Doctors and Teachers} have any authority, but they are totally responsible. This is an unhealthy situation and needs to be corrected.
3. Make the transition from parasitism to symbiosis at all levels. This means, removing the dominance of those who live by a parasitic model, i.e. Lawyers, Trade Unionists and Pensioners. Instead of sit down money for doing nothing, get pensioners to work "WITH" society and give something back. That way, their self-esteem grows, our society benefits from the fruits of their labours, the drug traffickers will be starved of their major income stream and everyone else benefits. It is not a one-way interaction but a much better way is a two-way interaction. Biological examples of symbiosis are our mixed eucalyptus / acacia forests are the Great Barrier Reef - the only single biological structure that is visible from space. Parasitism produces nothing, only destruction. In the human experience, parasitism produces palaces for gambling {Casinos}, Trade Union and Lawyer business houses.
4. Root out hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is everywhere and it needs to be identified and worked out of our system. For example, we happily allow over 100,000 perfectly healthy foetuses to be put to death {because the woman carrying the foetus doesn't feel like raising a child} but we spend billions looking after vegetative state individuals with severe brain damage, dementia and other progressive and irreversible medical conditions with absolutely no hope of recovery and do not have the courage to enact euthanasia. We also spend billions of dollars on IVF but waste the potential of an inexhaustible supply of healthy foetuses who mostly will become healthy babies to supply couples who have a natural problem with raising babies on their own. This hypocrisy has to stop. If we have such callous disregard for life in its earliest stages, why do we insist on holding onto life when "humanity" has left the body? In this case, we have let the Lawyers dictate our thinking by coming up with some claptrap that a foetus <23 weeks of age is not viable by itself and therefore abortion is OK. Well the same logic applied to adults could go like this: If I take you into the air and open up the cabin door at 30,000 feet and push you out, you won't survive. If I sail in a submarine and push you out at 500 meters below the surface and push you out, you won't survive. Therefore, any adult is not viable and it is OK to have them put down. Silly logic is absolutely ridiculous but that is the "logical" basis behind our rationalisation of abortion. This is a prime example of hypocrisy which needs to be slowly removed from our institutionalisation.
5. Wind back the silly OH&S laws that make a workplace unworkable but preserve the general safety of workers. Accept that life is risky and you cannot legislate for 100% safety. That's what insurance policies are for. For goodness sake, let's get on and make useful stuff in the meanwhile.
6. Give it a catchy name like: THE REAL DEMOCRACY PARTY.
7. Whatever you do, don't ask me to lead it. I'm too busy making stuff and having fun.

 

[luutzu]

Is anybody else out there totally fed up with the whole political scene at present? The choices are woefully inadequate - a castrated coalition that can't get anything done and a Labor party who are hell bent at destroying our economy any time they get their hands on it. Also, who else is sick and tired of the slowly strangulating regulation of everything {OH&S} where to actually build anything is an absolute miracle. Who out there voted for the greatest change to our urban landscape - chopping up our once generous landscape into tiny parcels of land that are so small you cannot now grow a tree in your back yard? Cramming more and more people into an ever tightening parcel of land with increasing congestion of our road network is not the way I want to live but our Councils can't believe their luck - more rate payers without having to do anything in return. If I wanted to live in a sardine can, I could move to any country in South East Asia. All these and more trends are what make the political process a farce.

I have a totally radical thought: Why not bring back Real Democracy?

For those who have no idea what that is, it is where a position which is held by >=50% of the population is enacted into law. Eg regarding euthanasia, when >50% of the population want it, we get it. If we want gay, lesbian and I cannot quite make up my mind what to think about my sexuality to get married, then get >50% of the population to vote on it. If they don't, then shut up about it! For too long we have been living by the rule of "He who has the microphone is in charge". That's not democracy, that is something else.

Australia is ruled by two versions of parasites. Labour {i.e. Trade Unions} are parasites in the biological sense that they are organisms that cannot survive on their own initiative but instead have to identify a healthy host on which to pray to extract 100% of their nourishment. Liberals {i.e. Lawyers} are also parasites because you don't see law firms actually making anything - except law firms. Two versions of parasites and you end up with what parasitism delivers in nature - consumption, slow strangulation and ultimate death to both host and parasite.

Our nearest neighbour {New Zealand} is not run by parasites, instead it has been run by business people who understand that first of all, if at the end of the financial year you aren's showing a profit, you need to fold and close shop. That's not good for anybody and so a first principle is to make sure the bills get paid and there is money left over for a rainy day. That is why the NZ budget has been in surplus for > 10 years. We have a spectacular Federal debt that seems to keep growing.

My vote would be to form a totally fresh political party with some basic platforms as follows:

1. Enshrine the principle of democracy. >= 50% of the vote is all it takes to get something approved. < 50% and you can make as much noise as possible but nobody will listen to you.
2. Restore "Natural" balance between Authority and Responsibility. If you are not in Authority, then you cannot be held Responsible. e.g. Airline pilots share both as soon as you hop onto a plane. Prison guards also are the same - simultaneously responsible for prisoner welfare but in absolute authority. This is a healthy "Natural" position. Doctors who get sued by their stupid angry patients who refuse to take their suggestions and silly parents who drive Teachers nuts for non-compliance are examples of an "Unnatural" imbalance between Authority and Responsibility. In neither case do the agents {Doctors and Teachers} have any authority, but they are totally responsible. This is an unhealthy situation and needs to be corrected.
3. Make the transition from parasitism to symbiosis at all levels. This means, removing the dominance of those who live by a parasitic model, i.e. Lawyers, Trade Unionists and Pensioners. Instead of sit down money for doing nothing, get pensioners to work "WITH" society and give something back. That way, their self-esteem grows, our society benefits from the fruits of their labours, the drug traffickers will be starved of their major income stream and everyone else benefits. It is not a one-way interaction but a much better way is a two-way interaction. Biological examples of symbiosis are our mixed eucalyptus / acacia forests are the Great Barrier Reef - the only single biological structure that is visible from space. Parasitism produces nothing, only destruction. In the human experience, parasitism produces palaces for gambling {Casinos}, Trade Union and Lawyer business houses.
4. Root out hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is everywhere and it needs to be identified and worked out of our system. For example, we happily allow over 100,000 perfectly healthy foetuses to be put to death {because the woman carrying the foetus doesn't feel like raising a child} but we spend billions looking after vegetative state individuals with severe brain damage, dementia and other progressive and irreversible medical conditions with absolutely no hope of recovery and do not have the courage to enact euthanasia. We also spend billions of dollars on IVF but waste the potential of an inexhaustible supply of healthy foetuses who mostly will become healthy babies to supply couples who have a natural problem with raising babies on their own. This hypocrisy has to stop. If we have such callous disregard for life in its earliest stages, why do we insist on holding onto life when "humanity" has left the body? In this case, we have let the Lawyers dictate our thinking by coming up with some claptrap that a foetus <23 weeks of age is not viable by itself and therefore abortion is OK. Well the same logic applied to adults could go like this: If I take you into the air and open up the cabin door at 30,000 feet and push you out, you won't survive. If I sail in a submarine and push you out at 500 meters below the surface and push you out, you won't survive. Therefore, any adult is not viable and it is OK to have them put down. Silly logic is absolutely ridiculous but that is the "logical" basis behind our rationalisation of abortion. This is a prime example of hypocrisy which needs to be slowly removed from our institutionalisation.
5. Wind back the silly OH&S laws that make a workplace unworkable but preserve the general safety of workers. Accept that life is risky and you cannot legislate for 100% safety. That's what insurance policies are for. For goodness sake, let's get on and make useful stuff in the meanwhile.
6. Give it a catchy name like: THE REAL DEMOCRACY PARTY.
7. Whatever you do, don't ask me to lead it. I'm too busy making stuff and having fun.

We plebs are meant to be spectators, not participants. Important decisions should be left to the adults in the room. So better get used to turning up and ticking boxes.

It is the duty of responsible men of destiny to make (inept and often corrupt) decisions for the rest of the stupid masses. Leaving such important decisions like war, peace, environmental protection, social welfare, health, education and the idiotic masses will all want peace, "free" stuff their tax dollars paid for daily, clean air and water because they can't afford bottled and filtered sources...

I mean, how will corporations and our fine elite get their annual tax breaks and subsidies if the troublesome masses also get their taxes re-distributed among themselves? Bring back their holdings from Paradise and pay their share of taxes?

To ask for real democracy is like asking the Comrades to let the People decide and control things because "the People" is written everywhere in the official documents.

 

[wayneL]

We plebs are meant to be spectators, not participants. Important decisions should be left to the adults in the room. So better get used to turning up and ticking boxes.

It is the duty of responsible men of destiny to make (inept and often corrupt) decisions for the rest of the stupid masses. Leaving such important decisions like war, peace, environmental protection, social welfare, health, education and the idiotic masses will all want peace, "free" stuff their tax dollars paid for daily, clean air and water because they can't afford bottled and filtered sources...

I mean, how will corporations and our fine elite get their annual tax breaks and subsidies if the troublesome masses also get their taxes re-distributed among themselves? Bring back their holdings from Paradise and pay their share of taxes?

To ask for real democracy is like asking the Comrades to let the People decide and control things because "the People" is written everywhere in the official documents.

Bullshyte.

One word - Switzerland

 

[IFocus]

1. Wind back the silly OH&S laws that make a workplace unworkable but preserve the general safety of workers. Accept that life is risky and you cannot legislate for 100% safety. That's what insurance policies are for. For goodness sake, let's get on and make useful stuff in the meanwhile.

This is complete rubbish you clearly never had to work for a living on sites where good people died through no fault of their own I have and it was really fu(ked. Thanks to Unions governments were forced into OH&S laws where this is now a rarity.

 

[qldfrog]

This is complete rubbish you clearly never had to work for a living on sites where good people died through no fault of their own I have and it was really fu(ked. Thanks to Unions governments were forced into OH&S laws where this is now a rarity.

IFocus, if you are still living on sites (in my case mining) you will also know the balance has been pushed too far and there are ridiculous H&S attitude which in my opinion remove responsabilities and actually end up being dangerous; we have also seen the desmise of something called common sense.
How many inductions have ytou done in the last 3 months of work (half a dozen for me) which are usually pointless..during the same time, australians are drugged on prescribed medecine, commit suicide at a record levels.And how many death will our dying economy cause ? depression for breadwinner unable to find a job ? These are the real questions
we do not need to go down to the lowest denominator but we need H&S/work relation not to be a gravy train for so many

 

[SirRumpole]

IFocus, if you are still living on sites (in my case mining) you will also know the balance has been pushed too far and there are ridiculous H&S attitude which in my opinion remove responsabilities and actually end up being dangerous; we have also seen the desmise of something called common sense.
How many inductions have ytou done in the last 3 months of work (half a dozen for me) which are usually pointless..during the same time, australians are drugged on prescribed medecine, commit suicide at a record levels.And how many death will our dying economy cause ? depression for breadwinner unable to find a job ? These are the real questions
we do not need to go down to the lowest denominator but we need H&S/work relation not to be a gravy train for so many

I propose we eliminate all OH&S rules and instead pass a law that requires mandatory 20 year gaol sentences for all board members of companies that lose workers in workplace accidents if a trial indicates that they have been negligent.

 

[luutzu]

Bullshyte.

One word - Switzerland

It is BS. Was just saying what the ruling class the world over thinks of democracy and the common peasant and their needs.

We don't even need to go into the detail of any policy... just compare the wages or living condition of the majority in our greatest of great civilisation.

If it's a democracy where the will of the many are carried out, why the heck is it that the many keep on asking for tax hike, less social services and more wars on countries and people they would have problem pointing to on a map.

Our own treasurer of the people said a few weeks ago that cutting corporate tax is a top priority. I guess he's looking after the interest of mom and pop investors who have a few shares in all them corporations.

Or take Trump's proposed tax "reform"... with some 75% of the benefit goes to the top .1 of 1%. Not sure if that estimate includes the corporate tax holiday.

Western Democracies are getting to the point where the ruling class can't hide behind "democracy", freedom and all that goodness anymore. We're fast running out of refugees and Muslims to distract the fascists from what's really been going on.

That and most politicians don't even bothered to pretend that the voters mattered.

Look at recent elections... only half the Yanks bothered to vote. Those that voted pick a racist, sexist a hole because his bs sounds a bit more believable than the political establishment.

Or France's Macron... heard an interview with that former Greek Finance Minister who say that only some 25% to 30% of the French voted for Macron; 30% turned up but wreck their vote on purpose; most of the rest goes to a fascist party.

Anywho... the good news is that Australians are generally more easy going, less patriotic... and we're a few years behind the rest of the world so our politicians and the oligarchs can quickly reverse course the moment Europe or the US or Asia goes to heck, again.