The Turnbull Government

[overhang]

There's a difference between choice and involuntary. I haven't evaded anything. I'm the one providing proofs, you have supplied zip so far.

Actually I'm the only one to provide any link, here are a couple more.

The midsagittal plane of the anterior commissure in homosexual men was 18% larger than in heterosexual women and 34% larger than in heterosexual men.

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/7199.full.pdf

Dean Hamer finally feels vindicated. More than 20 years ago, in a study that triggered both scientific and cultural controversy, the molecular biologist offered the first direct evidence of a “gay gene,” by identifying a stretch on the X chromosome likely associated with homosexuality. But several subsequent studies called his finding into question. Now the largest independent replication effort so far, looking at 409 pairs of gay brothers, fingers the same region on the X.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014...s-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality

So as you can see the science certainly isn't settled on the subject but at no point has there been scientific proof that being gay is a choice.

Do you believe that being gay is a conscious decision? I certainly didn't consciously choose to like women so I have no idea why you would think some men choose to like men.

 

[Tisme]

Malcolm and Michaela have gone on camera and called out Bill as a criminal...... supposedly to deflect attention away from the Victorian opposition leader.

This should be get interesting. The ALP generally keep their dirty linen cupboard full of opposition dealings for just such occasions.

Now if we can just get the Greens in the mix ...

 

[sptrawler]

Same sex marriage has really got beyond the joke, why is it taking up so much media and political space, how much of the population does it affect?
We see the disgraceful abuse in indigenous communities, the power blackouts in S.A, the collapse of manufacturing in the car industry and all the media and politicians can talk about is same sex marriage.

We really are a lost cause, it is about time they faced up to their responsibilities of running the Country, rather than deciding our moral compass bearings.

If they wish to change our moral compass, give us a vote, be it for a Republic or for our what our marriage beliefs are.
If our cultural standards are to be changed, they should be by vote of the population, not by the politicians.
Can't wait to see what the politicians will decide to vote on, when our multicultural population gets fair representation, in Parliament.
Should be a lot more fun in question time.

 

[sptrawler]

I'm really pizzed, it is about time Democracy got back to "by the people, for the people".
Rather than "by the media and politicians, for the media and politicians".

Why do the media and politicians, believe they have the right to decide what is best for the populace? What qualifications do they have, other than an unbelievable arrogance, in their own self importance?

It pizzes me off, it really does, is there any wonder people want change.

My rant for the day.

No it isn't over, I thought it was but it isn't.

If same sex marriage isn't an issue, why is it an issue to have more than one wife and or partner?
Why can't you be married to a same sex partner and an opposite sex partner? Why, if you are bisexual, should you be discriminated against?
Why shouldn't there be equality all around?

Why should you be allowed to marry heaps of women in Islam Countries, but not in Australia?
Why then, if we have equality with Muslim Countries, can't you marry heaps of people?
Why not just let everyone marry anyone, and as many as they want?
Sounds good, just have to find a way of taxing it.

 

[sptrawler]

Now we move the political debate, from same sex marriage to politicians citizenship, what will be next?
I bet it isn't the economy, that's too hard.

 

[Tisme]

Another Minister possible foreign citizenship

 

[Logique]

I trust the Turnbull Government will be fully supportive. "Not sure what point she is making".. says bolta.
I say, full burquas, for all lady pollies, it should be their choice, if they so choose For example, Penny Wong, if wearing a full burqua, was to expound to me the virtues of SSM, I would listen to her for sure!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...a/news-story/25c3706fc8a6115a37abd76d314f319c
August 16, 2017
Pauline Hanson in Senate in Full Burqua
Not sure what point she is making, but Pauline Hanson has arrived in the Senate in a full burqa....

 

[PZ.]

I trust the Turnbull Government will be fully supportive.
"Not sure what point she is making"...pull the other one bolta. Full burquas, for all lady pollies...their choice, if they so choose

LOL... self pity and symbolic suicide after copping the Trump Dump. Looks like that affair is over.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work...s/news-story/f82b52b576b1dcfe5f2bfba86054ed52

 

[SirRumpole]

Fiona Nash, Deputy Nationals leader could hold Scottish citizenship. There goes another one.

 

[drsmith]

Pauline Hanson's Senate attire has been an effective distraction from the dual citizenship issue but not for very long it's turned out.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-...-british-citizen-will-not-stand-aside/8817998

 

[Tisme]

Cory accusing Malcolm of collusion with a foreign govt:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work...o/news-story/44f3288207aa43fc9d202cc58d97fbe8

CONSERVATIVE Cory Bernardi today turned the “foreign collusion” debate on Malcolm Turnbull by accusing the Prime Minister of asking the British government to attack him.

Senator Bernardi, a former Liberal, said Mr Turnbull in Opposition had asked British Prime Minister David Cameron to ban him from speaking at a Tory-linked conference in 2012.

He didn’t give the planned speech and a spokesman for British Conservatives criticised him in Mr Cameron’s name.

Senator Bernardi accused Mr Turnbull of badmouthing him to the British Government — and of calling Mr Cameron’s office directly — during debate on an unsuccessful censure motion against Labor’s Penny Wong.

The Government accused Senator Wong of being misleading on approaches by her staff to the New Zealand Labour Party regarding the citizenship status of Barnaby Joyce.

 

[Logique]

Pauline Hanson's Senate attire has been an effective distraction from the dual citizenship issue but not for very long it's turned out.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-...-british-citizen-will-not-stand-aside/8817998

Regarding Pauline Hanson, this was the day ordinary Australians invaded the safe insular bubble of the ruling political class, and said 'Up Yours'. This one stunt has ensured her re-election next time around.

George Brandis figuratively, pooed his pants. Those were tears of relief. Coalition voters don't need a manager of Government business who gets a standing ovation from Labor and the Greens.

Hanson wasn't the loser yesterday, that was George Brandis, voters saw him as he really is.

 

[Tisme]

While I don't endorse Sean Kelly as a wannabe journalist, I do think the Cash/Turnbull press conference and the legislation attached to it is an abuse of power for political gain. As has often been the truth in history, legislation aimed at smearing or silencing opponents generally comes around and bites the bums of the instigators.

"Chalice of Blood" Michaelia is that nasal women with the coif DIY hairdo that can't pronounce "negotiate" let alone practice it.

Anti Bill Law refresher:





Response:

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/sean-kelly/2017/10/2017/1502346346/shorten-s-huge-chance

There was a curious moment during today’s prime ministerial press conference, when two worlds wobbled next to each other.

A journalist asked whether Bill Shorten would be in jail if the legislation Turnbull was there to celebrate had been in place just a few years ago, when Shorten had been a union chief. Turnbull replied [$], “Conduct of Mr Shorten, if it were repeated, under these laws, would attract criminal sanctions, yes, that’s right.”

Turnbull didn’t just reply. He seized on the question. He had spent much of the press conference looking sullen while the relevant minister, Michaelia Cash, positively popped with enthusiasm. With this one question their roles reversed. Cash began the response and was not quite so definite, saying that Shorten would potentially have been in trouble. Turnbull, though, was clearly thrilled by the prospect, and by the chance to articulate it for the world. As soon as the question had been answered he called an end to the press conference and strode away.

And fair enough. In a quieter, gentler time – say, the days of John Howard vs Kim Beazley – this would have been huge news. The prime minister had just as-good-as called the Opposition leader a criminal. No caveats, no “it would have been open to the courts to find it so”, no “could attract criminal sanctions”, but “would”, not even said under protection by parliamentary privilege (though Shorten would be mad to sue). There would have been outrage. There would have been some debate about abuse of power, and whether national leaders should pass laws directed in any way against their opponents. Not all of this would have been favourable to Turnbull, but he would have chosen the battleground, and in politics that is half the distance to victory.

I must record that there was some outrage, with shadow treasurer Chris Bowen sent out to decry Turnbull’s journey along the low road. But this, too, was quickly sucked into the vortex. The old world in which such things mattered had shimmered into existence for a moment, and then faded away again just as fast.

This fading wasn’t actually obvious in the press conference. There were a couple of questions about same-sex marriage, a question about an ex-MP and some lobbyists, questions about the legislation. If that was all the information you had about the day it might have seemed as though politics was returning to its usual state, in which a number of issues clamour for airtime.

 

[SirRumpole]

Not to mention that "treason" rubbish trotted out by Bishop that made her look a bigger fool than she already is.

 

[SirRumpole]

Another disastrous Newspoll for Turnbull.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work...l/news-story/e54c18082aaebd0d069a37a6f3f1cb08

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Another disastrous Newspoll for Turnbull.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work...l/news-story/e54c18082aaebd0d069a37a6f3f1cb08

The Liberals will be decimated at the next election.

As will the ALP.

Independents particularly in North Queensland will hold the balance of power.

gg

 

[Tisme]

It seems our National Party member Matt Canavan has been an Italian citizen since he was 2. Of course politicians lying is OK because they are politicians

 

[dutchie]

Of course politicians lying is OK because they are politicians

It's what they do best.
It doesn't take long for the system to make them liars and hypocrites.

 

[Logique]

Read it and weep South Australians. Anyway you're welcome to come over to NSW and charge up your mobile phones.

22 August 2017 - Christopher Carr - Quadrant Online: http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2017/08/turnbulls-creation-australian-conservatives/
Turnbull and the Alternative
Before Malcolm Turnbull's Liberals became what they are today -- a party without principle, discipline or nous -- the platform now being codified by Cory Bernardi's [Conservative Party] upstarts would have gladdened the hearts of most Coalition voters. Those defectors will make the coming thrashing even more severe...
...Key Points:
-Australians deserve the most reliable and affordable energy in the world.
-With electricity generation, we are technology-agnostic but subsidy-averse.
-We support nuclear power and a nuclear fuel cycle industry.
-We support all forms of electricity generation and will provide them with legislative certainty and legal protection.
-We do not support any renewable energy targets.
-We will remove all taxpayer and cross subsidies to electricity generation.
-We will require all electricity supplied to the grid to be useable – that is, predictable and consistent in output (kWhrs) and synchronous (at the required 50 Hz range).
-We will allow market forces to provide the most efficient power generation available.
-We will withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord.

This is a model of clarity and common sense, compared with what passes for the policy of the Turnbull government and, sadly, state Liberal governments. The polls tell a consistent story: the Liberal Party under Malcolm Turnbull is heading for a monumental thrashing...

 

[Smurf1976]

Read it and weep South Australians. Anyway you're welcome to come over to NSW and charge up your mobile phones.

Until 2022 when NSW's power supply ends up in much the same shape as SA unless something is done to avert the looming crisis. Smithfield power station just closed so there's another one gone and Liddell closes in 2022 (assuming it doesn't fall in a heap first as it's not in good shape).

At that point you could charge your phone reasonably cheaply in NT, Qld or Tas.

Or you could go to WA which has a reliable supply (at least in terms of generation) but an increasingly expensive one.

The problems in SA have caused a bit of a fuss but that's nothing compared to the fuss we'll see when the inevitable happens in NSW and Vic.

Since this thread is about the Turnbull government I'll respond to any queries about this in the energy thread so as to keep things on topic. There's not a lot Turnbull could do to fix it anyway - in my view it'll take a proper crisis to get the rest of the Liberal party (and the ALP) to see any real sense on this one.