The Turnbull Government

[Tisme]

I don't know. Citizenship laws are usually a bit of a mess. Italy is a real outlier though in allowing citizenship to be passed on in perpetually. I have UK citizenship, my mother was born there, but I cannot pass it to my children unless they are born in the UK or we live in the UK for 5 years with them before they turn 18. My Mum did not actually know she was British, she was born in Britain to Australian parents, until I started checking. Her sister was born in New York, so presumably she would have been American/Australian, but I don't think she ever held a US passport, or even knew she was eligible for one.

A few months ago, I was told that through a grandfather, I had citizenship, by birth, of a third country. Given it's best known for being a tax haven it might come in handy!

Wasn't there a treaty drawn up int 80's or 90's that sorted the dual citizen mess in Europe?

This fella's mother isn't even Italian born, but for some reason she decided to use her bloodline to register the family,....... to scarper I reckon and I also reckon our fella was in on it.

 

[Logique]

Gay marriage, it will either be now or in two years time 2019, when PM Bill Shorten runs it through Parliament on a politicians vote.

I doubt Shorten will require a plebiscite. Penny Wong certainly won't. Labor voted against a people's plebiscite this year.

Waleed on The Project tonight - get with it 'Dad' (he may as well have said 'Daddio', like Frankie Avalon).

How does Islam view gays Waleed, vis a vis tall buildings? But some elders are ok aren't they, like Imams, and indigenous elders. What are their views on gay marriage?

 

[Tink]

We want our say on homosexual marriage.

A plebiscite, what we voted for.

It should be up to the people, not the politicians.

Is anyone complaining about these rogues, destroying the Liberal Party?

 

[SirRumpole]

We want our say on homosexual marriage.

A plebiscite, what we voted for.

It should be up to the people, not the politicians.

Is anyone complaining about these rogues, destroying the Liberal Party?

Agreed, a plebiscite is the best way to decide this.

It's a social issue not a political one.

 

[Logique]

Attitudes and tolerance to the gay/lesbian community in Australia has come a million miles in the past 20 years.

If the LGBTi community is patient, it may safely rely upon the good intentions of the wider community.

But LGBTi's, don't be naive, don't allow yourselves to be exploited by groups with a hidden political agenda! On either side of the political divide, eg some Libs this week

 

[Tisme]

We want our say on homosexual marriage.

We certainly do, although I do believe the social engineering has brainwashed enough people to be consigned to the idea of it happening.

It might take a few generations and a war, but marriage will be reinstated for the purpose Genesis and Matthew expounded, albeit with the Muslim conquerer's rules added on.

Meanwhile Labor and Liberal will grub for votes on the back of it.

 

[SirRumpole]

While they are at a plebiscite about marriage, why not ask if people approve of gays having parenting rights in access to adoption, IVR etc. That might get a very different response.

 

[Tisme]

While they are at a plebiscite about marriage, why not ask if people approve of gays having parenting rights in access to adoption, IVR etc. That might get a very different response.

That would raise an awareness that sheeple might find all too onerous, rather than just blind voting per their facebook and twitter masters.

 

[Logique]

In a sense of realpolitik,

why not a bipartisan agreement on a simultaneous, hence cost-saving referendum:
- on gay marriage, and
- on a republic, with a people-elected President, as the people asked for last time

Strip the politics out of it. Even more cost-saving, add it as an additional voting slip at the next Federal election in 2019.

 

[SirRumpole]

- on a republic, with a people-elected President, as the people asked for last time

Attractive as an elected President may sound, having another legislative layer when government is almost paralysed with what we have now is asking for trouble.

Do we really want another round of posturing, fund raising , electioneering and influence peddling when jokers of all sorts ply their feeble credentials for the top job, and most of them with be hacks or fronts for one of the major parties ? We already have too many elections.

I'd go for a President appointed by a joint sitting of Parliament as long as the position is keep purely ceremonial, but that's about it.

 

[Tisme]

Attractive as an elected President may sound, having another legislative layer when government is almost paralysed with what we have now is asking for trouble.

Do we really want another round of posturing, fund raising , electioneering and influence peddling when jokers of all sorts ply their feeble credentials for the top job, and most of them with be hacks or fronts for one of the major parties ? We already have too many elections.

I'd go for a President appointed by a joint sitting of Parliament as long as the position is keep purely ceremonial, but that's about it.

Yep rename "Governor General" to titular "President" and have him report to the Queen for guidance about how to run garden parties and cut ribands

 

[Tisme]

Labor must be worried its political capital will be lost on the homosexual marriage issue, if the meeting today results in scrapping the peoples choice promise and goes to a vote in parliament.

 

[SirRumpole]

Labor must be worried its political capital will be lost on the homosexual marriage issue, if the meeting today results in scrapping the peoples choice promise and goes to a vote in parliament.

I doubt the Libs will backtrack on a plebiscite. Most of their religious supporters would desert them if they did and go to Bernadi.

 

[Tisme]

I doubt the Libs will backtrack on a plebiscite. Most of their religious supporters would desert them if they did and go to Bernadi.

Or they might attract the "80%" of electors who are in favour of hijacking the marriage tradition for the sake of pampering the cute little, albeit hurting homosexual lifestylers.

 

[SirRumpole]

Or they might attract the "80%" of electors who are in favour of hijacking the marriage tradition for the sake of pampering the cute little, albeit hurting homosexual lifestylers.

If they go to a Parliamentary vote then of course Shorten will say they were dragged to it by the Labor party and that is poison to a lot of the LNP.

 

[moXJO]

Lib and labor both have forgotten their core in favor of distractions and wedges.

Shouldn't electricity supply be front and center?
Suppose the dumbing down of the Facebook society means gay marriage is top of the list.

 

[SirRumpole]

Shouldn't electricity supply be front and center?

Of course it should, followed by the future of the economy, housing affordability and the old staples health and education.

 

[moXJO]

Of course it should, followed by the future of the economy, housing affordability and the old staples health and education.

We can blame politicians (and they deserve it). But it makes you wonder about society in general. If the only way to get our attention is to peddle feelgood bs over policy that is important for the nation - well.... it makes you wonder.

Maybe Australia has reached 'peak spoilt'.

 

[SirRumpole]

Maybe Australia has reached 'peak spoilt'.

Good one, I think you are right.

 

[Tisme]

Have a listen to the boss :

http://www.2gb.com/podcast/former-prime-minister-tony-abbott-5/