The Turnbull Government

[Tisme]

Didn't take long for the meta data wedge to be used to demand decryption of data tools so the whole body of works can be read by big brother.

Of course if offshelf encryption apps aren't secure, the criminals will just invent/commission their own. The rest of us will lose our privacy in the process.

 

[SirRumpole]

$3.5 billion per year in revenue not being collected due to family trust tax rort.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...-funds-reduce-tax-australia-institute/8729672

 

[Tisme]

Andrew Robb must have had out nation's best interests at heart when he brokered this deal.

While e.g an electrical tradey has to complete a lenghy apprenticeship, pass capstone testing and e.g. in QLD be retested every 5 years to retain a licence, not our Chinese trained 457s, nope they are obviously a better class of worker.

 

[SirRumpole]

Wasn't Andrew Robb the same idiot that signed a deal that said we would cut our beef import quotas immediately while the US didn't have to cut theirs for 20 years ?

Such things may cause people to question his mental state at the time.

 

[Tisme]

Wasn't Andrew Robb the same idiot that signed a deal that said we would cut our beef import quotas immediately while the US didn't have to cut theirs for 20 years ?

Such things may cause people to question his mental state at the time.

Isn't he on the Chinese gravy train as a sham director or something?

 

[SirRumpole]

Isn't he on the Chinese gravy train as a sham director or something?

Yep, of Landbridge, the Chinese company that is now leasing Darwin port, after it got through Cabinet of which Robb was a member.

 

[Tisme]

I just found out my mum signed me up for Italian citizenship when I was 50. Good thing I didn't run for parliament.... mind you if was with the LNP I wouldn't have to resign and the taxpayer would foot the bill in a High Court challenge.

 

[Tisme]

Do you reckon could have made mum do it?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...a7ee12df9?sv=8ecb17efb3334efa362f66f7608d9884

$1.5 million reasons to flee the country with the kids in tow

 

[bellenuit]

I just found out my mum signed me up for Italian citizenship when I was 50. Good thing I didn't run for parliament.... mind you if was with the LNP I wouldn't have to resign and the taxpayer would foot the bill in a High Court challenge.

I still find it odd that an adult could be made a citizen of another country without his/her consent. Surely it would require at least a signature by him/her.

 

[SirRumpole]

I still find it odd that an adult could be made a citizen of another country without his/her consent. Surely it would require at least a signature by him/her.

There should be no such thing as dual citizenship imo, you are either Australian or something else. Much simpler that way.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

There should be no such thing as dual citizenship imo, you are either Australian or something else. Much simpler that way.

As a migrant nation I would disagree. Dual citizenship is reasonable.

Unless one is a Parliamentarian where allegiance is paramount.

Although having said that, the ADF accepts for service people with dual citizenship.

It is all very complicated. I don't like Parliamentarians so when I see their arses kicked it gives me a warm feeling. Any reason, any arse.

gg

 

[McLovin]

I still find it odd that an adult could be made a citizen of another country without his/her consent. Surely it would require at least a signature by him/her.

It seems as though he already had it. His mother just "registered" his birth (for want of a better word) with the Italian Consulate in Brisbane.

per Wiki...

Italian citizenship is granted by birth through the paternal line, with no limit on the number of generations, or through the maternal line for individuals born after 1 January 1948. An Italian citizen may be born in a country whose citizenship is acquired at birth by all persons born there. That person would be born therefore with the citizenship of two (or possibly more) countries. Delays in reporting the birth of an Italian citizen abroad do not cause that person to lose Italian citizenship, and such a report might in some cases be filed by the person's descendants many years after he or she is deceased.

 

[Tisme]

It seems as though he already had it. His mother just "registered" his birth (for want of a better word) with the Italian Consulate in Brisbane.

per Wiki...

I'd be very surprised if the dual citizenship issue wasn't sorted back in the day when the gates opened to Italians after the war.

I had friends at school who were babies when they came to Oz. Many of them rec'd letters in 5th year (year12) from Italy advising them that were registered for national service in the armed forces.

 

[McLovin]

I'd be very surprised if the dual citizenship issue wasn't sorted back in the day when the gates opened to Italians after the war.

I had friends at school who were babies when they came to Oz. Many of them rec'd letters in 5th year (year12) from Italy advising them that were registered for national service in the armed forces.

I don't know. Citizenship laws are usually a bit of a mess. Italy is a real outlier though in allowing citizenship to be passed on in perpetually. I have UK citizenship, my mother was born there, but I cannot pass it to my children unless they are born in the UK or we live in the UK for 5 years with them before they turn 18. My Mum did not actually know she was British, she was born in Britain to Australian parents, until I started checking. Her sister was born in New York, so presumably she would have been American/Australian, but I don't think she ever held a US passport, or even knew she was eligible for one.

A few months ago, I was told that through a grandfather, I had citizenship, by birth, of a third country. Given it's best known for being a tax haven it might come in handy!

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't know. Citizenship laws are usually a bit of a mess. Italy is a real outlier though in allowing citizenship to be passed on in perpetually. I have UK citizenship, my mother was born there, but I cannot pass it to my children unless they are born in the UK or we live in the UK for 5 years with them before they turn 18. My Mum did not actually know she was British, she was born in Britain to Australian parents, until I started checking. Her sister was born in New York, so presumably she would have been American/Australian, but I don't think she ever held a US passport, or even knew she was eligible for one.

I would advise your mother not to run for Parliament.

 

[McLovin]

I would advise your mother not to run for Parliament.

Long story, but in the 1990's she was told she had never been an Australian citizen. Even though she had travelled on an Australian passport her whole life.

 

[SirRumpole]

Long story, but in the 1990's she was told she had never been an Australian citizen. Even though she had travelled on an Australian passport her whole life.

Crazy. I suppose we can have some sympathy for politicians after all.

 

[McLovin]

Crazy. I suppose we can have some sympathy for politicians after all.

Yeah, totally. Like I said nationality law is a real mess in most countries. Until 2009 I was not eligible for British citizenship, only right of abode, but my sister was British by birth. Then they changed the rules on children born before 1983 to British mother's living in the Commonwealth and I was eligible (the old law was that before 83 only men could pass citizenship to their legitimate children). It's not at all surprising that so many people don't know about certain citizenships they may have.

 

[bellenuit]

This issue has repercussions beyond how other countries grant citizenship. We also need to change the law so that people cannot be unwillingly and unknowingly made a citizen of another country and then excluded from remaining as MPs or senators here. I know it is far fetched, but what if in a time of crisis, a hostile country were to make all or a majority of our parliamentarians citizens of their country. We might then be in a situation where government becomes powerless to act legally.

 

[McLovin]

This issue has repercussions beyond how other countries grant citizenship. We also need to change the law so that people cannot be unwillingly and unknowingly made a citizen of another country and then excluded from remaining as MPs or senators here. I know it is far fetched, but what if in a time of crisis, a hostile country were to make all or a majority of our parliamentarians citizens of their country. We might then be in a situation where government becomes powerless to act legally.

The law is never that black and white. A hostile power unilaterally declaring Australian parliamentarians citizens of that country to have them removed from the Australian parliament would not carry any weight in an Australian court. The first test a court would apply would be some sort of nexus to the foreign country. They could also just renounce that citizenship and continue to sit in the parliament.

If it was as simple as slapping a citizenship certificate on somebody and saying "you're it", tin-pot dictators with budget problems could just look up a who's who of wealth and declare them citizens who must pay tax and then use local courts to enforce it. Will never happen.