The Turnbull Government

[luutzu]

Hmmm not into puns luutzu?

I think this one dates back to Mark Twain's use, although like many of his attributed quotes they probably came from someone else.

Different when it's vocalised and when it's written McGee.

"Denial is not just a river in Egypt". Well, there's no river Denial in Egypt.

But if you write "The Nile is not just a river in Egypt", they can't argue that there is no river The Nile, but your pun of denial get through when it's read.

Cool?

 

[PZ.]

Turnbull Liberal donation remains secret

Malcolm Turnbull's personal donation to the Liberal Party during last year's federal election won't be known for another year. The Australian Electoral Commission on Wednesday released the political funding disclosures for the 2015/16 financial year. However, Mr Turnbull's donation - rumoured to be around $1 million - to a cash-strapped Liberal party during the campaign was not in the figures. A spokesman for the prime minister said the donation would be declared within the rules by the Liberal party organisation.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...t/news-story/aa151a8cf9f1360b0f9743ad2333d1e3

How secret? $2 million dollars is my bet. You read it here first. LOL

 

[PZ.]

Didn't take long did it? "Another year" became one day... $1.75mill

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-...ing-1.75-million-to-election-campaign/8233244

 

[Tisme]

Change again for Manus concentration camp, Trump now standing by agreement .... for now

Whoops, hold off, Trump hasn't made a decision yet

 

[sptrawler]

Well I suppose Turnbull putting his own money up, is better than Labor, putting unionists money up.lol
If that happens

 

[sptrawler]

Whoops, hold off, Trump hasn't made a decision yet

No he has probably been told, we are the only friends they have, in this part of the World.lol

 

[PZ.]

Well I suppose Turnbull putting his own money up, is better than Labor, putting unionists money up.lol
If that happens

I agree. I have no problem with Turnbull funding his own campaign. Just don't see the point of the secrecy. Maybe it's media beat up

What it does highlight though is the Liberal Party almost sent itself broke to win the election because donations had plummeted due to a backlash over the leadership change.

I think Turnbull did the right thing. If he didn't then Shorten would be PM by now.

 

[sptrawler]

I agree. I have no problem with Turnbull funding his own campaign. Just don't see the point of the secrecy. Maybe it's media beat up

What it does highlight though is the Liberal Party almost sent itself broke to win the election because donations had plummeted due to a backlash over the leadership change.

I think Turnbull did the right thing. If he didn't then Shorten would be PM by now.

That scenario, is scary, I'm not happy with Turnbull but Shorten would IMO be horrendous.

 

[bellenuit]

Well I suppose Turnbull putting his own money up, is better than Labor, putting unionists money up.lol
If that happens

I haven't paid much attention to unions' "goings on" in recent years, but wasn't it the case in the past that a Labor Government would provide grants to unions for cultural activities or education of sorts that never really got used, but was then funnelled back to the Labor Party as union contributions to their electoral campaigns. So the reality was the public were actually indirectly funding the Labor Party. This is not to say that there isn't some sort of reciprocal agreement between the Libs and big business that does more or less the same thing.

 

[SirRumpole]

This is not to say that there isn't some sort of reciprocal agreement between the Libs and big business that does more or less the same thing.

You haven't heard of Parakeelia ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-23/bradley-explained:-the-liberal-partys-parakeelia-rort/7535372

 

[SirRumpole]

but Shorten would IMO be horrendous.

The Righties keep saying that Shorten would be disastrous but they rarely say why.

Unless reasons are given we can only assume that these statements are ingrained bias without foundation.

 

[sptrawler]

Shorten IMO, is too tied up with the unions, this leads to a situation where a small minority have a disproportionate say in politics.
That situation already exists in the Senate, add to that the unions controlling the house of Reps, and IMO it is a recipe for disaster.

 

[SirRumpole]

Shorten IMO, is too tied up with the unions, this leads to a situation where a small minority have a disproportionate say in politics.
That situation already exists in the Senate, add to that the unions controlling the house of Reps, and IMO it is a recipe for disaster.

You could equally say that Turnbull is too tied up with business leading to the giving away of billions of our money in corporate tax cuts that won't produce any benefits for decades as Turnbull admitted on 7:30, when we have budget deficit that his government doubled and that that they made such a fuss about when Labor was in power.

Now that is a recipe for debt and deficit disaster.

 

[overhang]

You haven't heard of Parakeelia ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-23/bradley-explained:-the-liberal-partys-parakeelia-rort/7535372

People are barking up the wrong tree, worried about Turnbull donating his own money when the Parakeelia is used to launder tax payer money to the Libs. How is it reasonable to award government contracts to a company owned by the Liberal party that then funnels most of that money back into the Liberal party via donations.

 

[SirRumpole]

People are barking up the wrong tree, worried about Turnbull donating his own money when the Parakeelia is used to launder tax payer money to the Libs. How is it reasonable to award government contracts to a company owned by the Liberal party that then funnels most of that money back into the Liberal party via donations.

True. I'm not a Liberal Party supporter but I'm not really worried about Turnbull donating his own own money. I would be worried if other wealthy individuals donated large sums to buy influence, but we know what Turnbull stands for and we can vote for him or not.

Parakeelia was a scam, pure and simple and that sort of thing should be trodden on whether perpetrated by Liberal or Labor, but Parakeelia despite all the publicity is probably still operating today, but the fuss over it has died down.

 

[sptrawler]

You could equally say that Turnbull is too tied up with business leading to the giving away of billions of our money in corporate tax cuts that won't produce any benefits for decades as Turnbull admitted on 7:30, when we have budget deficit that his government doubled and that that they made such a fuss about when Labor was in power.

Now that is a recipe for debt and deficit disaster.

The difference is, companies give to both side of politics, you are implying they only give to the Libs. The companies, will and do fund both parties, in the hope of favourable outcomes whichever party gains office.

With regard to the unions, they give members money to one side of politics without the members permission, in return for this, they have disproportionate say in the process.

 

[SirRumpole]

The difference is, companies give to both side of politics, you are implying they only give to the Libs. The companies, will and do fund both parties, in the hope of favourable outcomes whichever party gains office.

With regard to the unions, they give members money to one side of politics without the members permission, in return for this, they have disproportionate say in the process.

It's still payment for influence. I'd be quite happy if political donations from both unions and business were banned as neither of them are eligible to vote.

 

[PZ.]

Bill Shorten has a habit of destroying prime ministers... Rudd, Gillard, Abbott.
And on 7:30 Turnbull indirectly accused Bill Shorten of costing him $1.75m of his own money.

That's what you call pushing a friendship

 

[noco]

Shorten IMO, is too tied up with the unions, this leads to a situation where a small minority have a disproportionate say in politics.
That situation already exists in the Senate, add to that the unions controlling the house of Reps, and IMO it is a recipe for disaster.

Shorten is also a Fabian (socialist) and believes in central control.....Free enterprise and profits are a dirty word with Shorten......He is also a puppet for the CFMEU...They are his masters.

 

[SirRumpole]

Bill Shorten has a habit of destroying prime ministers... Rudd, Gillard, Abbott.
And on 7:30 Turnbull indirectly accused Bill Shorten of costing him $1.75m of his own money.

That's what you call pushing a friendship

Yep, Li'l ol' wrecking ball Bill.