The Turnbull Government

[noco]

Don't think I was exaggerating. I simply follow your link to One Nation's policies and read a few of them.

Her (party) policies sounds like a typical political argy bargy clap trap to me.

Take her position on CSG. It sounds more like an invitation to be convinced that it's safe. i.e., pay me a visit oil men. I mean, why take a position against something when you aren't exactly sure whether it's safe or not. if it's not safe, hence you are against it, then what more do you need to be convinced of? Trying to be fair and open to reasonable arguments?

Whether you are for or against her policies is your opinion and you are entitled to it.....I have not said I agree with her policies 100%.....Some are good and some are not so good.

Initially you stated she had no policies and I merely helped you to find what she stands for....What ever her policies maybe she would have little hope of implementing them due to being a minor party......But I guess she could be influential if she had the balance of power which may very well happen at the next Queensland state elections..

She must be doing something right when she has increased her popularity in Queensland from 5% to 16% since the 2016Federal election and well above the Greens.

 

[SirRumpole]

Abbott is making a nuisance of himself again...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-...rnment-to-look-at-his-budget-policies/8061584

 

[noco]

Abbott is making a nuisance of himself again...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-...rnment-to-look-at-his-budget-policies/8061584

But Rumpy, you must confess, what Abbott is saying is correct in every sense of the word and he is entitled to make his comments as a back bencher....He is saying the senate is sabotaging the Australian economy and he is so right.

If Turnbull had any sense, he would bring Abbott back into cabinet just to have control over him.

Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott has criticised crossbench senators for blocking the government's agenda, claiming the upper house is 'sabotaging the country's future.'

With parliament set to wrap up for the year this week, the government's proposed legislation to reintroduce the Australian Building and Construction Commission (ABCC) and the backpacker tax is stalled in the Senate.

The government's attempts to pass its legislative agenda have hit another roadblock, with Senator Nick Xenophon vowing to hold up legislation until the Murray-Darling basin dispute is resolved.

Mr Abbott told Sky News the current roadblock in the Senate is a 'recipe for bad government.'

'We have got an absolutely intransigent Labor party, which is completely abandoned the legacy of Bob Hawke and Paul Keating,' he said.

'And you've got individual senators who say their pet issue trumps all other pet issues and the Senate will deal with nothing until it deals with their pet issue.'

'This is a recipe for bad government and it is sabotaging the country's future.'

The Prime Minister also hinted he is willing to return to cabinet, saying he can work with his successor Malcolm Turnbull.

'Obviously there's been a bit of history with Malcolm and going back decades now. But look, you don't have to idolise someone to be able to work with them.'

'The important is to focus on the job at hand.'

'I am very conscious of the fact that its the PM who decides who enters the cabinet. It's not a matter for me and while I'm to the back bench to speak out and im going to make the most of it.'

Mr Abbott also says the prime minister is doing a better job at focussing on issues people care about and not worrying about 'about innovation and agility because, quite frankly, that loses people.'

The Member for Warringah says despite the increasing popularity of One Nation, he is not concerned about a breakaway party on the right.

'If we lack a strong centre-right party you'll get people on the fringes come to the fore,' he said.

'What the government is expected to do is not to overreact to Hanson, but to get on with the job of being a strong and sensible centre-right government.'

'Have strong, centre-right values, be firm in articulating centre-right values, and that will minimise the threat for the right.'

The former prime minister says the government must continue to push for budget repair to prevent 'intergenerational theft.'

"There needs to be a big new push for budget repair as we don't want to rip off our children and grandchildren it's intergenerational theft,' he said.

'It does have to be done, it won't be easy, but this is where the government has to have that tough conversation with the Australian people."

'We can't go on, indulging in a cash splash with borrowed money.'

Mr Abbott has been a member for the Sydney seat of Warringah since 1994, and says he has no plans to retire in the foreseeable future.

'My current mission is to be the best local member,' he said.
- See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...the-country--abbott.html#sthash.91fDkOUM.dpuf

 

[pixel]

Abbott is making a nuisance of himself again...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-...rnment-to-look-at-his-budget-policies/8061584

It's only natural: Abbott had almost 5 years' experience as leader of the opposition, far longer than as PM.
That gave him lots more practice in damaging a government than leading one.

Shorten won't mind; help from the inside can only raise his chances of becoming the next PM.

 

[Tisme]

Can't break that habit of concision, can you?

Yes, I was a bit confused there.

Nothing more dangerous than an honest man luutzu .... cudos to you.

 

[Tisme]

......I can point to you on this forum where I have been critical of Malcom Turnbull.....

.

Who hasn't?

You do appear to be having trouble breaking away from habitual Liberal party partisanship, which is rather intriguing given the divergent LNP is not much in common with its original foundations. Similarly the ALP.


Malcolm is another one of those once considered contrary to the national interest and public service by the two majors and the general population. Since they had their shackles removed we have seen Catholic politics become the dominant policy driver ..... opportunists instead of sages are in charge of both sides of the fence..

 

[luutzu]

Whether you are for or against her policies is your opinion and you are entitled to it.....I have not said I agree with her policies 100%.....Some are good and some are not so good.

Initially you stated she had no policies and I merely helped you to find what she stands for....What ever her policies maybe she would have little hope of implementing them due to being a minor party......But I guess she could be influential if she had the balance of power which may very well happen at the next Queensland state elections..

She must be doing something right when she has increased her popularity in Queensland from 5% to 16% since the 2016Federal election and well above the Greens.

I'm no political pundits but seems to me she's getting her 15 minutes, again, because people are fed up with the bs they're getting from the two major parties.

That and her humble beginning, "plain" speaking and flag wrapping style make it seem like she's as honest and fair dinkum as the average Aussie - and so will fight for them.

Having read some of her policies, thanks btw, she has, like most pollies, have drunk the cool-aid of toughlove for the poor (of all colours) and more welfare for the "go-getter" with deep pockets who will share some if they get some more.


I don't know, I prefer those rich, silverspoon up the azz politicians who's out for themselves and their pals over those who came from poverty and the working class but sold the people out.

At least with the bluebloods, you can understand that they were brought up in gated community and have never known or seen much poverty and struggles. People tend not to be too imaginative about walking in other people's shoes.

People like Hanson, on the other hand... it's prostitution. And that's an insult to prostitutes in the red light district who have to to survive.

 

[SirRumpole]

Morrison was on tv this morning full of righteous indignation in attacking the Labor part for being "economic vandals" in not supporting his backpacker tax .

How full of bull is he ? This tax will raise about $100 million a year when HIS deficit is $30 billion a year. We are hardly going to have a backpacker led recovery of the economy are we ?

This government should stop nibbling around the margins and get down to some real heavy lifting. Cut out Howard's middle class welfare (negative gearing, superannuation rorts etc) instead of focussing on minutiae. They really are hopeless.

 

[SirRumpole]

One thing I agree with Trump on.

Scrap the TPP, it's a disaster.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-28/scrapping-tpp-won't-make-a-lick-of-difference/8061906

 

[luutzu]

Morrison was on tv this morning full of righteous indignation in attacking the Labor part for being "economic vandals" in not supporting his backpacker tax .

How full of bull is he ? This tax will raise about $100 million a year when HIS deficit is $30 billion a year. We are hardly going to have a backpacker led recovery of the economy are we ?

This government should stop nibbling around the margins and get down to some real heavy lifting. Cut out Howard's middle class welfare (negative gearing, superannuation rorts etc) instead of focussing on minutiae. They really are hopeless.

They do add up, eventually

 

[noco]

Morrison was on tv this morning full of righteous indignation in attacking the Labor part for being "economic vandals" in not supporting his backpacker tax .

How full of bull is he ? This tax will raise about $100 million a year when HIS deficit is $30 billion a year. We are hardly going to have a backpacker led recovery of the economy are we ?

This government should stop nibbling around the margins and get down to some real heavy lifting. Cut out Howard's middle class welfare (negative gearing, superannuation rorts etc) instead of focussing on minutiae. They really are hopeless.

Need I remind you how and when all this economic mess started and the reason why we are still in the economic doldrums.

Even if the government tries to do all the things you suggest, the bloody minded Green/Labor left wing socialists will block it for some stupid reason.....Labor is hopeless when it comes to bi-partisan support in the National interest.....Labor agrees on things one day but for political advantage back flips the next day.

Labor is currently holding up $19 billion in savings just to make the Government's bottom line look bad......

 

[orr]

Abbott had almost 5 years' experience as leader of the opposition, far longer than as PM.
That gave him lots more practice in damaging a government than leading one.

Given this and adding his time spent as a parliamentarian and his current avowed crusade for 'Budget Repair'.
I'm more and more curious as to how we are now in the predicament of selling our Liquid Natural Gas and netting a return to the Australian Treasury at roughly 3% of the equivalent return that Qatar sees for the sale of the same national asset.

Form 2022 Qatar will over the following 4 years recieve $100+Billion. Australia $3.3 billion... So Tony, How did this happen? What's being done about it? Why isn't it addressed and used for 'Budget Repair'? Why is it the Middle Easterners have been able to negotiate so superior a deal?

No small reason why this is the 'Turnbull Gov' thread... but not for much longer if this isn't fixed; mr s morrison...

One of the riggs down in the Bass Straight is called 'Kipper'... Any up on the N/West shelf called 'Dun-over'?

 

[noco]

Given this and adding his time spent as a parliamentarian and his current avowed crusade for 'Budget Repair'.
I'm more and more curious as to how we are now in the predicament of selling our Liquid Natural Gas and netting a return to the Australian Treasury at roughly 3% of the equivalent return that Qatar sees for the sale of the same national asset.

Form 2022 Qatar will over the following 4 years recieve $100+Billion. Australia $3.3 billion... So Tony, How did this happen? What's being done about it? Why isn't it addressed and used for 'Budget Repair'? Why is it the Middle Easterners have been able to negotiate so superior a deal?

No small reason why this is the 'Turnbull Gov' thread... but not for much longer if this isn't fixed; mr s morrison...

One of the riggs down in the Bass Straight is called 'Kipper'... Any up on the N/West shelf called 'Dun-over'?

I think if you some research, and I do recall this was mentioned in a post some months ago, the difference in what Australia receives in comparison between Qatar is the fact that Australia has had no capital input into our gas where as the Qatar Government has invested over half the capital expenditure.

I will try to find that post for you.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-qatar-energy-idUSBRE95P0A420130626

Qatar is by far the world's largest exporter of LNG, with 105.4 bcm of exports in 2012 representing nearly a third of global LNG trade, according to BP data.

LNG production is divided between two companies, Qatargas and Rasgas. State oil company Qatar Petroleum (QP) owns a majority stake in both, with international companies holding smaller stakes in individual production trains.

http://www.afr.com/news/world/middl...-it-the-new-energy-superpower-20150806-gisvax

After investing tens of billions of dollars, Qatar is at the forefront. Part of the emirate's fleet, the Al Rekayyat, run by Royal Dutch Shell, goes to Fujian in China and Yokkaichi in Japan, as well as Dubai and Milford Haven in Wales.

Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/world/middl...ergy-superpower-20150806-gisvax#ixzz4RGIK0Mj2

 

[Tisme]

Morrison was on tv this morning full of righteous indignation in attacking the Labor part for being "economic vandals" in not supporting his backpacker tax .

How full of bull is he ? This tax will raise about $100 million a year when HIS deficit is $30 billion a year. We are hardly going to have a backpacker led recovery of the economy are we ?

This government should stop nibbling around the margins and get down to some real heavy lifting. Cut out Howard's middle class welfare (negative gearing, superannuation rorts etc) instead of focussing on minutiae. They really are hopeless.

I seem to recall we were going to have a productivity led recovery rather than a cutting back on pencils and rubbers austerity measures.

Surely the back packers are the glimpse of our future workforce conditions and pay under the draconian LNP class system, therefore making sure the base tax is higher than the Labs and Greens wants.

Remember (as trolls would have it) we are nothing if we don't work hard, rather than smart, for a few shiney coins and knowing you are doing it for good of the languishing the economy under the stewardship of the current do nothing govt.

How people, who have demonstrated no ability to negotiate with their political opponents, with p:ss poor acumen remain in the top jobs is an astounding admission of below par average as are those who defend it by blaming people who aren't even the elected and ensconced in govt.

If the govt was a corporation, the shareholders would have demanded a spill by now, a new board and CEO. There would be no acceptable excuses for not competing with the enemy and making a profit. They certainly wouldn't give 2 s4its whether there was factions in the executive levels or not, just results.

 

[noco]

I seem to recall we were going to have a productivity led recovery rather than a cutting back on pencils and rubbers austerity measures.

Surely the back packers are the glimpse of our future workforce conditions and pay under the draconian LNP class system, therefore making sure the base tax is higher than the Labs and Greens wants.

Remember (as trolls would have it) we are nothing if we don't work hard, rather than smart, for a few shiney coins and knowing you are doing it for good of the languishing the economy under the stewardship of the current do nothing govt.

How people, who have demonstrated no ability to negotiate with their political opponents, with p:ss poor acumen remain in the top jobs is an astounding admission of below par average as are those who defend it by blaming people who aren't even the elected and ensconced in govt.

If the govt was a corporation, the shareholders would have demanded a spill by now, a new board and CEO. There would be no acceptable excuses for not competing with the enemy and making a profit. They certainly wouldn't give 2 s4its whether there was factions in the executive levels or not, just results.

You may as well go and hit your head against a brick wall rather than trying to negotiate with the Green/Labor left wing socialist coalition.

Labor will oppose anything even though they could have been in agreement 2,3 or 5 years ago.

 

[SirRumpole]

Labor will oppose anything even though they could have been in agreement 2,3 or 5 years ago.

They obviously took lessons from Tony Abbott.

 

[noco]

They obviously took lessons from Tony Abbott.

So I guess if Shorten put his head in the fire, you would follow suit.

 

[Smurf1976]

I think if you some research, and I do recall this was mentioned in a post some months ago, the difference in what Australia receives in comparison between Qatar is the fact that Australia has had no capital input into our gas where as the Qatar Government has invested over half the capital expenditure.

Increased gas costs to Australian industry and households in the eastern states (including SA and Tas) = over $2 billion per annum following the commencement of LNG exports from Qld.

Return to government = $800 million and that includes exports from NT and WA.

Regardless of who owns it, I don't see how this is a good deal as a whole. For what it's worth, the cost impact on gas consumers is considerably higher than the carbon tax was.

 

[SirRumpole]

So I guess if Shorten put his head in the fire, you would follow suit.

Labor would never accept a $7 GP co-payment especially as it wasn't mentioned before the election.

Here is just one way the Abbott/Turnbull government has stuffed up the Budget.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-28/fact-check-direct-action-vs-carbon-tax/6847234

I think if you some research, and I do recall this was mentioned in a post some months ago, the difference in what Australia receives in comparison between Qatar is the fact that Australia has had no capital input into our gas where as the Qatar Government has invested over half the capital expenditure.

It doesn't really matter what our investment was, if you have a lot of valuable stuff lying around in your backyard and you let other people take it away for little return to the owners, then you are a fool.

 

[noco]

Increased gas costs to Australian industry and households in the eastern states (including SA and Tas) = over $2 billion per annum following the commencement of LNG exports from Qld.

Return to government = $800 million and that includes exports from NT and WA.

Regardless of who owns it, I don't see how this is a good deal as a whole. For what it's worth, the cost impact on gas consumers is considerably higher than the carbon tax was.

Firstly there is a thing in the market called competition and Qatar is dirt cheap.

Secondly, if you were to invest your money into venture, I am sure you would like a healthy return on your funds and that is what the Qatar Government has done.

The Australian Government has no investment in the LNG but gets a return as you have stated of 3%.......Not bad hey...The LNG industry in Australia is funded by private enterprise.

I don't know of any easier way to explain it to you.

But of course if Australia converted to Socialism and took over those industries, known as central control, it would then become a debacle as is the case in most communist countries.