The Turnbull Government

[Tisme]

Is common sense finally starting to sink in for the Conservatives ?

They are trying the Trump suits on for size.

The realisation has finally hit the Einsteins up here in the LNP and they looking to demutualise the LNP back to the Nationals and the Libs so they can make political gain on the back of the Pauline rise in poll popularity. They also want the Federal Attorney General's head

 

[SirRumpole]

They are trying the Trump suits on for size.

The realisation has finally hit the Einsteins up here in the LNP and they looking to demutualise the LNP back to the Nationals and the Libs so they can make political gain on the back of the Pauline rise in poll popularity. They also want the Federal Attorney General's head

You mean the Nats want to split from the Libs then go as Right as they can to get back the disaffected vote ?

Is this the start of the extreme Right Bernadi Tea Party ? Might get a few Liberal defections as well as the Nats.

 

[Tisme]

You mean the Nats want to split from the Libs then go as Right as they can to get back the disaffected vote ?

Is this the start of the extreme Right Bernadi Tea Party ? Might get a few Liberal defections as well as the Nats.

Yep and probably yep

 

[SirRumpole]

Yep and probably yep

I don't think we are Trump comparable. The Right ie Pauline made some gains, but so did the Left ie Labor at the last election. Pauline is good for a protest , but this term will see if she can deliver. Palmer certainly didn't.

With due respect to the people here who voted for Pauline, I think she's just in it for the money. Running a fish and chip shop is too much like hard work.

 

[noco]

I don't think we are Trump comparable. The Right ie Pauline made some gains, but so did the Left ie Labor at the last election. Pauline is good for a protest , but this term will see if she can deliver. Palmer certainly didn't.

With due respect to the people here who voted for Pauline, I think she's just in it for the money. Running a fish and chip shop is too much like hard work.

I really don't think Labor has anything to crow about at the last election as it was their second lowest primary vote since 1949....The Liberals did not do too well either.....23% went to other parties and independents.

Yes running a fish and chip shop like any business is hard work......Hard work is something many on this forum would not know.......If you have never been in business, you would never have enjoyed the experience....At least Pauline knows what hard work is all about.

I disagree with you on the point Pauline is in it for the money .....She has genuine concerns for people and the National interest....She is listening to people...Something both Labor and the Liberals have forgotten.

Most of the ex union hacks who are in parliament also would not know what a hard days work is.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-03/election-results-historical-comparison/7560888

 

[luutzu]

The political correctness I object to was seen with the furore over the Bill Leak cartoon. Police on the ground confirmed that the type of attitude they have to deal with was accurately represented by Leak's cartoon, and yet the shrill PC brigade turned the argument into a debate about whether Leak should have actually told reality rather that what should be done about the underlying problem.

There should be no licence for making things up or spreading false propaganda, comments should be factually based, but when they are the focus should be on the real issue, not harassing people who bring these issues to light.

Just looked up Bill Leak's cartoons and the few that I saw... nah, he's not telling the hard truth or whatever. It's basically popular stereotyping.

But yea, by all mean say things as they are, no matter how politically incorrect.


Went to the City today and man, there are way too many homeless Australians out there. They are almost at every corner.

What the heck is happening to Australia? Give people some help. Seriously, I've seen less beggars in VN when I was there a couple of years ago.

Housing is seriously out of reach for an average Australian family; jobs are being offshored; education and technical training are cut and privatised; people are homeless and shiet out of luck.

Next Sydney's council might come up with some bright ideas like some council in the UK and put bird spikes where the homeless would sleeps.

 

[luutzu]

I really don't think Labor has anything to crow about at the last election as it was their second lowest primary vote since 1949....The Liberals did not do too well either.....23% went to other parties and independents.

Yes running a fish and chip shop like any business is hard work......Hard work is something many on this forum would not know.......If you have never been in business, you would never have enjoyed the experience....At least Pauline knows what hard work is all about.

I disagree with you on the point Pauline is in it for the money .....She has genuine concerns for people and the National interest....She is listening to people...Something both Labor and the Liberals have forgotten.

Most of the ex union hacks who are in parliament also would not know what a hard days work is.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-03/election-results-historical-comparison/7560888

What has Hanson proposed that would benefit the Aussie battler? Can you name a few of her bright ideas?

It's pretty easy for most to say they feel the pain and been there and know what it's like. That's often not enough since practically all politicians say the same stuff.

 

[noco]

What has Hanson proposed that would benefit the Aussie battler? Can you name a few of her bright ideas?

It's pretty easy for most to say they feel the pain and been there and know what it's like. That's often not enough since practically all politicians say the same stuff.

Luu, you should not be so lazy in finding out what One Nation stands for.........But I don't mind helping lazy people.

http://www.onenation.com.au/policies/islam

 

[luutzu]

Luu, you should not be so lazy in finding out what One Nation stands for.........But I don't mind helping lazy people.

http://www.onenation.com.au/policies/islam

It's not looking good there noco. And these are the official, marketing policies. The reality would be a lot uglier.

Islam:
Islam is bad because it's a theocracy. Well no kidding. A religion is a theocracy of sort right?

Remember when Christianity was the way to civilise barbarians and savages? How good was Christian values, as applied for such purposes, to those unlucky enough to not be born a White Christian?

There are good morality in Christianity, as there are good in every other religion, Islam included. There are also the nasty bits... so it depends on what purpose it is use for by the state.

To slam Islam and Muslims as backwards and warmongering terrorists because of Islam... that's just plain false, and a bit hypocritical. Also not very beneficial to the Muslim and Arab Australians.


University Allowance

They make it sound reasonable, until you think about it.

So uni students living at home shouldn't have their part-time work, and shouldn't have their parents' combined income be considered in applying for Student allowance? Even if the parents both earn a combined $150K?

First, note the "university" in the Allowance policy. Does this include students at TAFE or other tertiary institution? Just uni students - the "best and brightest", and best and brightest with fairly well off parents.

Sounds like favouring kids with rich parents to me.

But say rich kids need welfare too... How does it follow from their argument that those over 18 should not be considered dependent, should have their apron string cut from their well to do folks, should be make independent and so can grow and enrich the country... then somehow imply that if we let them get the same allowance as unemployment, it mean they wouldn't have to get a part time job.

Not working is a good training ground for independence?

How does uni students not working - through gov't welfare being generous towards them that they don't need to work - help free up jobs for single parents and other kids. Kids at TAFE not getting the allowance would be helped because they'd be forced to work?


Age Pension
Should be treated with respect, dignity, they have work so hard, struggled so much etc.... then why does One Nation "...not support increasing the age of entitlement to 70 years of age"??

What's the average life expectancy now? 80? 85? So the last couple of decades of our seniors who's struggling financially should be their problem?

Multiculturalism

What a bunch of nonsense.

First, you cannot guarantee any one would ever be loyal to their country. People look after their own interests, and if that mean a few million under the table for state secrets, they'd do it regardless of their race, religion or "Australianess".

Second, all the positives that such a policy intends to achieve - don't do terrorism, value our freedom, defend the country - these are done at the swearing in or prescribed by law and enforced by gov't security agencies.

How does getting rid of anti-discrimination laws protect Australian or unify its people? We just all colour ourselves White? Get them cream to bleach the brown and black out, dye our hair red?

Are we sure that Christianity is what make Australia great? What make Australia Australia?

A country become unified and awesome because it promotes the good and discourage/punish the bad. Since no culture or religion can claim to be totally awesome in every way... let's leave it at that and adapt and promote what is noble.

And you can't do that by first telling the refugees to go get screwed. You cannot do it by telling people they better forget and abandon all their heritage.

If people can quickly abandon their heritage, can just renounce their religion and faith, all just to get along and be rewarded... well how in the hell do you seriously expect them to be loyal to you, to Australia? I mean, if they can abandon and spit on their ancestor's tradition just because the new master says so... a newer master with better opportunity saying so will make them what? Loyal to the old master?


And how do you expect people to be genuinely fighting for the national interest, to care for the plight of the poor and unfortunate when you promote the idea of screwing people are seeking refuge?



Fair enough with CSG mining. It's a potential disaster for Australia. But don't worry too much, them miners and oilers will have a few discussions and meetings to update Pauline on how safe and awesome CSG is.

 

[noco]

It's not looking good there noco. And these are the official, marketing policies. The reality would be a lot uglier.

Islam:
Islam is bad because it's a theocracy. Well no kidding. A religion is a theocracy of sort right?

Remember when Christianity was the way to civilise barbarians and savages? How good was Christian values, as applied for such purposes, to those unlucky enough to not be born a White Christian?

There are good morality in Christianity, as there are good in every other religion, Islam included. There are also the nasty bits... so it depends on what purpose it is use for by the state.

To slam Islam and Muslims as backwards and warmongering terrorists because of Islam... that's just plain false, and a bit hypocritical. Also not very beneficial to the Muslim and Arab Australians.


University Allowance

They make it sound reasonable, until you think about it.

So uni students living at home shouldn't have their part-time work, and shouldn't have their parents' combined income be considered in applying for Student allowance? Even if the parents both earn a combined $150K?

First, note the "university" in the Allowance policy. Does this include students at TAFE or other tertiary institution? Just uni students - the "best and brightest", and best and brightest with fairly well off parents.

Sounds like favouring kids with rich parents to me.

But say rich kids need welfare too... How does it follow from their argument that those over 18 should not be considered dependent, should have their apron string cut from their well to do folks, should be make independent and so can grow and enrich the country... then somehow imply that if we let them get the same allowance as unemployment, it mean they wouldn't have to get a part time job.

Not working is a good training ground for independence?

How does uni students not working - through gov't welfare being generous towards them that they don't need to work - help free up jobs for single parents and other kids. Kids at TAFE not getting the allowance would be helped because they'd be forced to work?


Age Pension
Should be treated with respect, dignity, they have work so hard, struggled so much etc.... then why does One Nation "...not support increasing the age of entitlement to 70 years of age"??

What's the average life expectancy now? 80? 85? So the last couple of decades of our seniors who's struggling financially should be their problem?

Multiculturalism

What a bunch of nonsense.

First, you cannot guarantee any one would ever be loyal to their country. People look after their own interests, and if that mean a few million under the table for state secrets, they'd do it regardless of their race, religion or "Australianess".

Second, all the positives that such a policy intends to achieve - don't do terrorism, value our freedom, defend the country - these are done at the swearing in or prescribed by law and enforced by gov't security agencies.

How does getting rid of anti-discrimination laws protect Australian or unify its people? We just all colour ourselves White? Get them cream to bleach the brown and black out, dye our hair red?

Are we sure that Christianity is what make Australia great? What make Australia Australia?

A country become unified and awesome because it promotes the good and discourage/punish the bad. Since no culture or religion can claim to be totally awesome in every way... let's leave it at that and adapt and promote what is noble.

And you can't do that by first telling the refugees to go get screwed. You cannot do it by telling people they better forget and abandon all their heritage.

If people can quickly abandon their heritage, can just renounce their religion and faith, all just to get along and be rewarded... well how in the hell do you seriously expect them to be loyal to you, to Australia? I mean, if they can abandon and spit on their ancestor's tradition just because the new master says so... a newer master with better opportunity saying so will make them what? Loyal to the old master?


And how do you expect people to be genuinely fighting for the national interest, to care for the plight of the poor and unfortunate when you promote the idea of screwing people are seeking refuge?



Fair enough with CSG mining. It's a potential disaster for Australia. But don't worry too much, them miners and oilers will have a few discussions and meetings to update Pauline on how safe and awesome CSG is.

I guess it all depends how you want to look at things.......You can exaggerate a bit if you want to.

It is just that you said you not know what her policies are or what she stood for and I presented them to you.

If you don't like what she stands for then don't vote for her...Maybe you prefer socialism (Communism)...I don't really know which side of the fence you stand and I don't really give a rat's a$se.

 

[SirRumpole]

If you don't like what she stands for then don't vote for her...Maybe you prefer socialism (Communism)...I don't really know which side of the fence you stand and I don't really give a rat's a$se.

There speaks the voice of Facism. I can see the wardrobe full of SS uniforms.

 

[Tisme]

It's not looking good there noco. And these are the official, marketing policies. The reality would be a lot uglier.

Islam:
Islam is bad because it's a theocracy. Well no kidding. A religion is a theocracy of sort right?

Remember when Christianity was the way to civilise barbarians and savages? How good was Christian values, as applied for such purposes, to those unlucky enough to not be born a White Christian?

There are good morality in Christianity, as there are good in every other religion, Islam included. There are also the nasty bits... so it depends on what purpose it is use for by the state.

To slam Islam and Muslims as backwards and warmongering terrorists because of Islam... that's just plain false, and a bit hypocritical. Also not very beneficial to the Muslim and Arab Australians.


University Allowance

They make it sound reasonable, until you think about it.

So uni students living at home shouldn't have their part-time work, and shouldn't have their parents' combined income be considered in applying for Student allowance? Even if the parents both earn a combined $150K?

First, note the "university" in the Allowance policy. Does this include students at TAFE or other tertiary institution? Just uni students - the "best and brightest", and best and brightest with fairly well off parents.

Sounds like favouring kids with rich parents to me.

But say rich kids need welfare too... How does it follow from their argument that those over 18 should not be considered dependent, should have their apron string cut from their well to do folks, should be make independent and so can grow and enrich the country... then somehow imply that if we let them get the same allowance as unemployment, it mean they wouldn't have to get a part time job.

Not working is a good training ground for independence?

How does uni students not working - through gov't welfare being generous towards them that they don't need to work - help free up jobs for single parents and other kids. Kids at TAFE not getting the allowance would be helped because they'd be forced to work?


Age Pension
Should be treated with respect, dignity, they have work so hard, struggled so much etc.... then why does One Nation "...not support increasing the age of entitlement to 70 years of age"??

What's the average life expectancy now? 80? 85? So the last couple of decades of our seniors who's struggling financially should be their problem?

Multiculturalism

What a bunch of nonsense.

First, you cannot guarantee any one would ever be loyal to their country. People look after their own interests, and if that mean a few million under the table for state secrets, they'd do it regardless of their race, religion or "Australianess".

Second, all the positives that such a policy intends to achieve - don't do terrorism, value our freedom, defend the country - these are done at the swearing in or prescribed by law and enforced by gov't security agencies.

How does getting rid of anti-discrimination laws protect Australian or unify its people? We just all colour ourselves White? Get them cream to bleach the brown and black out, dye our hair red?

Are we sure that Christianity is what make Australia great? What make Australia Australia?

A country become unified and awesome because it promotes the good and discourage/punish the bad. Since no culture or religion can claim to be totally awesome in every way... let's leave it at that and adapt and promote what is noble.

And you can't do that by first telling the refugees to go get screwed. You cannot do it by telling people they better forget and abandon all their heritage.

If people can quickly abandon their heritage, can just renounce their religion and faith, all just to get along and be rewarded... well how in the hell do you seriously expect them to be loyal to you, to Australia? I mean, if they can abandon and spit on their ancestor's tradition just because the new master says so... a newer master with better opportunity saying so will make them what? Loyal to the old master?


And how do you expect people to be genuinely fighting for the national interest, to care for the plight of the poor and unfortunate when you promote the idea of screwing people are seeking refuge?



Fair enough with CSG mining. It's a potential disaster for Australia. But don't worry too much, them miners and oilers will have a few discussions and meetings to update Pauline on how safe and awesome CSG is.

Are you confusing assimilation and imperialism?

 

[SirRumpole]

Barnaby's pork barrelling to cost taxpayers $25 million for no good reason.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-...dicines-authority-allowed-to-relocate/7996372

 

[drsmith]

Barnaby's pork barrelling to cost taxpayers $25 million for no good reason.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-...dicines-authority-allowed-to-relocate/7996372

This is the sort of outcome that puts voters off major parties and is particularly poor form from Barnaby Joyce and a conservative based government.

From what I've read quickly in the media this morning, the move seems to have no material redeeming features whatsoever.

http://www.afr.com/news/barnaby-joy...to-begin-move-out-of-canberra-20161124-gswmhz

 

[noco]

There speaks the voice of Facism. I can see the wardrobe full of SS uniforms.

And a typical reply from true Fabian who only knows one response....

Rumpy, you can vilify me ......you can abuse me...you can character assassinate me all you like, but you will never ever silence me on this Forum as long as I live.....You have no hope in hell of pushing me off and that is what you and you and your socialists buddies try to do to members who disagree with you.

You best change your attitude and remember this is a country of free speech so long as you don't report it to that Socialist Gillian Triggs, the ABC or Tony Jones one can feel reasonable safe..


Be careful your eyes don't roll back into your head and stay there.

 

[SirRumpole]

And a typical reply from true Fabian who only knows one response....

Rumpy, you can vilify me ......you can abuse me...you can character assassinate me all you like, but you will never ever silence me on this Forum as long as I live.....You have no hope in hell of pushing me off and that is what you and you and your socialists buddies try to do to members who disagree with you.

You best change your attitude and remember this is a country of free speech so long as you don't report it to that Socialist Gillian Triggs, the ABC or Tony Jones one can feel reasonable safe..


Be careful your eyes don't roll back into your head and stay there.

You are always good for a laugh noco , I guess it keeps you interested in life.

Imho you could learn a few lessons from drsmith, who I'm pretty sure is a Liberal supporter if not a member, but who can still take a balanced and analytical issue by issue approach instead of just swallowing the propaganda that comes out of Party Central.

Do yourself (and us) a favour by doing some research instead of propaganda Copy/Paste.

 

[Tisme]

Barnaby's pork barrelling to cost taxpayers $25 million for no good reason.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-...dicines-authority-allowed-to-relocate/7996372

Old skool politician.


I see Mr Brandis is in deep trying to finagle monies from the corpse of Bell Corp to help the Liberal Govt in WA. The High Court might not take that lightly in the future if the Labor Party has the balls to use the courts like the LNP frequently does. It appears to be one of the secret triggers for the departure of would be compromised Justin Gleeson

 

[noco]

You are always good for a laugh noco , I guess it keeps you interested in life.

Imho you could learn a few lessons from drsmith, who I'm pretty sure is a Liberal supporter if not a member, but who can still take a balanced and analytical issue by issue approach instead of just swallowing the propaganda that comes out of Party Central.

Do yourself (and us) a favour by doing some research instead of propaganda Copy/Paste.

Mate I have done lots of research and have caught you out on many occasion and you did not like it.....

The only response you know in most cases is to attack the man......I can point to you on this forum where I have been critical of Malcom Turnbull.

I think you should do yourself a favor and listen to what other people think and say instead of taking the Fabian attitude of, "IT IS MY WAY OR THE HIGH WAY".....You always profess to being right...Stop being PIG HEADED for a change.

I am certain you would like to see me off the ASF due to your persistent personal attacks....That is the Fabian way......Perhaps you should check them out because you follow the same pattern when you are beaten.

If you don't know where to look, just let me know and I will get all your needs.

 

[luutzu]

Are you confusing assimilation and imperialism?

Can't break that habit of concision, can you?

Yes, I was a bit confused there.

 

[luutzu]

I guess it all depends how you want to look at things.......You can exaggerate a bit if you want to.

It is just that you said you not know what her policies are or what she stood for and I presented them to you.

If you don't like what she stands for then don't vote for her...Maybe you prefer socialism (Communism)...I don't really know which side of the fence you stand and I don't really give a rat's a$se.

Don't think I was exaggerating. I simply follow your link to One Nation's policies and read a few of them.

Her (party) policies sounds like a typical political argy bargy clap trap to me.

Take her position on CSG. It sounds more like an invitation to be convinced that it's safe. i.e., pay me a visit oil men. I mean, why take a position against something when you aren't exactly sure whether it's safe or not. if it's not safe, hence you are against it, then what more do you need to be convinced of? Trying to be fair and open to reasonable arguments?