The Turnbull Government

[overhang]

On the polling it is to be expected that MT will see an instant turn around in the polls. Gillards first newspoll after the back stabbing of Rudd was 53-29 as preferred prime minister and also lead the two party preferred 53-47. At the moment he is on the honeymoon period and the electorate is just happy to get rid of the largely incompetent Abbott.

MT is going to be breath of fresh air as he doesn't appear to use the 3 word catch phrases so famous with Abbott, I just hope he drops the fear mongering agenda that Abbott used so strongly.

What does he do with Hockey who refused to step down as treasurer? Surely he can't be kept on the front bench with the public perception of him and frankly anything other than a role as treasurer is going to be a slap in the face to Hockey so MT may as well send him to the back bench to hide him from the public.

 

[Knobby22]

You've got to feel a little sorry for Hockey.
He thought he was the man who was going to be leader when they deposed of Turnbull the first time, but Abbott tricked him. Ambition thwarted, it will be interesting to see what happens to Hockey next.

 

[SirRumpole]

You've got to feel a little sorry for Hockey.
He thought he was the man who was going to be leader when they deposed of Turnbull the first time, but Abbott tricked him. Ambition thwarted, it will be interesting to see what happens to Hockey next.

Apparently Hockey has been offered Communications.

 

[overhang]

From what I've read the 3 FTAs with North Asia are estimate to not even create 10000 jobs a year between them. Considering that employment stats can jump around more than 1000 month to month it will be nearly impossible to determine exactly what impact these agreements have.

This is actually a largely exaggerated figure too that has been sprouted by the coalition, the supposed economic managers continue to stuff the numbers up from their own report just like the embellished the FTTP NBN costing and understated their own FTTN costings, they can't be trusted with numbers.

According to their own report

The annual employment increase from the combined liberalisations (compared
with what would otherwise have been the case) is expected to:
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start at 7 900 persons in 2016;
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peak at 14 600 persons in 2020; and
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return to 5 400 persons in 2035

Now as you put keep in mind this is actually all three free trade agreements (China, Korea and Japan) and yet it will only produce a maximum 15k jobs and dwindle to just 5400 by 2035. To put this in prospective this will increase the employment rate by just 0.04% in 2035.



The key thing to note here is that these are not additional jobs each year, they are the total jobs added since the beginning of the projected FTA.


The report his here http://dfat.gov.au/about-us/publica...c-modelling-of-australias-north-asia-ftas.pdf

We need to add more protection for Australian jobs before we sign these jobs away to the Chinese who don't spend their income here anyway and send it back home.

 

[SirRumpole]

Turnbull and his henchmen were big noting themselves about signing a NDIS agreement, not a word about whose idea it was is the first place.

 

[sydboy007]

This is actually a largely exaggerated figure too that has been sprouted by the coalition, the supposed economic managers continue to stuff the numbers up from their own report just like the embellished the FTTP NBN costing and understated their own FTTN costings, they can't be trusted with numbers.

According to their own report

The fact there's be no analysis of past FTAs and their impact on the economy says it all really. We're told they're good for us, but no one really knows.

The fact some trust the Govt in engaging to negotiate these FTAs for the good of the people is laughable. The TPP was going to tie us up in litigation from large multinational companies and increase the cost of all forms of IP used by business and consumers.

 

[Tisme]

Turnbull and his henchmen were big noting themselves about signing a NDIS agreement, not a word about whose idea it was is the first place.

That'd be Howard, Fraser or Menzies for sure. It's like the Chinese have invented everything five thousand years before we became bipedal.

 

[sydboy007]

Apparently Hockey has been offered Communications.

It's often said the one eyed man is king in the kingdom of the blind. Not sure I'd want foot in mouth hockey in the communications portfolio.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's often said the one eyed man is king in the kingdom of the blind. Not sure I'd want foot in mouth hockey in the communications portfolio.

The NBN is Turnbull's baby. I think he'll keep Hockey under the thumb. Joe knows his position in Cabinet is precarious and will toe the line.

 

[Macquack]

Apparently Hockey has been offered Communications.

The Parliament Catering Portfolio is more his speed.

 

[galumay]

It's often said the one eyed man is king in the kingdom of the blind. Not sure I'd want foot in mouth hockey in the communications portfolio.

Could he be any worse than Turdbull was?! For someone supposedly down with the intrawebs, he has made an almighty hash of the NBN, the decision to use FTTN instead of FTTH was a catosrophically stupid decision as experts like Simon Hackett have said. Despite castrating the NBN costs have still blown out by billions, so we are gettting a sub-bar, soon to be redundant fibre network at a high price.

I think his reputation around IT is greatly exaggerated - its probably just that its slightly ahead of the 1950's knowledge level of most others in parliament.

 

[drsmith]

Could he be any worse than Turdbull was?! For someone supposedly down with the intrawebs, he has made an almighty hash of the NBN, the decision to use FTTN instead of FTTH was a catosrophically stupid decision as experts like Simon Hackett have said. Despite castrating the NBN costs have still blown out by billions, so we are gettting a sub-bar, soon to be redundant fibre network at a high price.

I think his reputation around IT is greatly exaggerated - its probably just that its slightly ahead of the 1950's knowledge level of most others in parliament.

I've posted the following in the NBN thread on more than one occasion and I know it's difficult listening for those who bought Stephen Conroy's FTTP NBN fantasy but for a broader perspective, it's well worth a listen.

http://simonhackett.com/2014/09/06/rebooting-the-nbn/

 

[banco]

The Parliament Catering Portfolio is more his speed.

Might burst his gastric band if he's not careful.

 

[drsmith]

You've got to feel a little sorry for Hockey.
He thought he was the man who was going to be leader when they deposed of Turnbull the first time, but Abbott tricked him. Ambition thwarted, it will be interesting to see what happens to Hockey next.

IIRC, Joe hockey's position on Kevin Rudd's ETS was to allow a conscience vote within the Liberal Party.

Not much point changing from Malcolm then if for Labor it was a binding vote.

 

[noco]

The fact there's be no analysis of past FTAs and their impact on the economy says it all really. We're told they're good for us, but no one really knows.

The fact some trust the Govt in engaging to negotiate these FTAs for the good of the people is laughable. The TPP was going to tie us up in litigation from large multinational companies and increase the cost of all forms of IP used by business and consumers.

NZ happy if Australia's China deal fails

AAP
September 17, 2015, 6:39 am

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If Australia's free trade deal with China should falter it would benefit New Zealand, the country's prime minister says.

The new government under Malcolm Turnbull has fast-tracked legislation for the agreement, trying to pressure Labor - which has concerns it will cost Australian jobs - to lock in the deal.

But New Zealand's John Key told the Australian Financial Review on Thursday the benefits of its deal with China have been 11 times greater than the most optimistic estimates and the country would be "quite happy" if Australia's failed.

 

[sydboy007]

NZ happy if Australia's China deal fails

AAP
September 17, 2015, 6:39 am

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If Australia's free trade deal with China should falter it would benefit New Zealand, the country's prime minister says.

The new government under Malcolm Turnbull has fast-tracked legislation for the agreement, trying to pressure Labor - which has concerns it will cost Australian jobs - to lock in the deal.

But New Zealand's John Key told the Australian Financial Review on Thursday the benefits of its deal with China have been 11 times greater than the most optimistic estimates and the country would be "quite happy" if Australia's failed.

 

[overhang]

I've posted the following in the NBN thread on more than one occasion and I know it's difficult listening for those who bought Stephen Conroy's FTTP NBN fantasy but for a broader perspective, it's well worth a listen.

http://simonhackett.com/2014/09/06/rebooting-the-nbn/

Yes you keep posting that all while ignoring his many comments and more recent comments that state

"Fibre to the node is the least-exciting part of the current policy – no argument," he said. "If I could wave a wand, it's the bit I'd be erasing."

Speaking at the Rewind/Fast Forward event in Sydney on Wednesday, Internode founder Mr Hackett said he was a strong supporter of connecting premises directly to fibre and was on the board of NBN Co to make it "as least worse as possible".

http://www.afr.com/technology/nbns-simon-hackett-slams-fibretothenode-technology-20150325-1m77el

Not exactly glowing accolades for the coalition NBN.

 

[Tisme]

It's pretty impressive how the defenders of their (probably their parent's) chosen political party are compelled to defend a rubbish piece of infrastructure like the MkII NBN, just because it is their chosen party's Frankenstein's Monster.

The Power of Mal compels you, Power of Mal compels you, Power of Mal compels you, ...get behind me, (Labor) Satan! You are a stumbling block to me .......

 

[sydboy007]

It's pretty impressive how the defenders of their (probably their parent's) chosen political party are compelled to defend a rubbish piece of infrastructure like the MkII NBN, just because it is their chosen party's Frankenstein's Monster.

The Power of Mal compels you, Power of Mal compels you, Power of Mal compels you, ...get behind me, (Labor) Satan! You are a stumbling block to me .......

Needs to be said in a sing song voice as Bill Burr can only do

say what we say when we say it
Say it again then you can go home to your toys

All right I'll say it
And I'll say it again
Now can I go home to my toys

But yes, i can't imagine any of the Liberal supporters lettign Labor get away with buying a copper network and admitting they have no idea of the condition of said copper is, nor how much they will have to spent on top of their purchase price to get it into a usable state.

 

[drsmith]

Yes you keep posting that all while ignoring his many comments and more recent comments that state

Have you listened to it ?

If you do, you'll find it puts everything into context including FTTN.