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You seem to be insinuating that most people working weekends are working a 2nd job and subsequently working 40+ hours a week. I would like to see some stats because I really question if that's the case, the ones that I see that are full time workers and work weekends for a different employer are low income workers anyway, you don't see many on 60k+ choosing to work weekends. Whilst schools, most trade, most non retail businesses and the finance industry continue to work Monday to Friday then employees should be compensated for working weekends and being away from the majority who aren't required to work weekends. If you took penalty rates away and asked people which days they would choose to work I don't think many would say Saturday and Sunday.
 
Smurf1976 said:
Our governments of all persuasions have failed us miserably in my view. Rudd, Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull. None of them come anywhere close to the sort of leadership we had in the past and so desperately need now.
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Two of the above have shown it's much easier to be opposition leader than it is to be PM and the other two have been unable to unite their respective parties after toppling said PM's.

It's becoming increasingly evident that Malcolm Turnbull will need to show more character than the other three above and stand aside as PM at some point. I'm not sure though who would replace him as leader. Scott Morrison remains a good alternative in my view but is also damaged goods with the conservatives Tony Abbott in particular while Julie Bishop to me lacks sufficient presence in parliament.

Sadly, like Labor before it under Julia Gillard, the house of Liberal is ablaze.
 
Tisme said:
Gee you're fair bit behind the times.
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The leaders we had up until 20 or so years ago seemed to at least give the impression of trying to do something useful.

Hawke and Keating did quite a bit with an assortment of reforms and despite being Labor kept the unions reasonably sensible most of the time.

Hewson, whilst never PM, at least seemed pretty determined with his ideas and engaged in serious policy debate as leader of the Opposition at the time.

For that matter even the Greens. I don't agree with Bob Brown on many things but at least he stood up for what he believed in.

Since then we seem to have really lost the plot. About the only thing we seem to have achieved of any benefit at all is to insulate a few roofs although even that was seriously botched.

Unaffordable housing, unreliable power, uncompetitive at practically anything (even with iron ore we're losing market share to Brazil it seems) and on it goes. Meanwhile we can't even get a government, of any political persuasion, able to govern itself.

Whilst a good thing in itself I do think that having had a quarter century without a recession is part of the problem. It has all been too easy and there just hasn't been the pressure to actually lead the country in the right direction so long as the cash keeps rolling in. Same problem that many other countries with oil or other natural resources have had over the years.

I just find it truly ridiculous that we've had a massive boom in mining plus an unprecedented period of growth and yet we've managed to come out of that with record levels of debt, infrastructure that's falling apart and a stock market that's gone nowhere for a decade. If that's not a wasted opportunity then I don't know what is - we should have been able to fix pretty much anything that needed fixing with that backdrop.

I don't really care if it's Labor, Liberal or someone else. I just want a government with some real vision and the ability to get it done.
 
Smurf1976 said:
I don't really care if it's Labor, Liberal or someone else. I just want a government with some real vision and the ability to get it done.
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Sadly we are also seeing a devaluation of science and research in some quarters.

Former PMs saying "climate change is crap", when the vast bulk of evidence says otherwise, and threats to defund institutions that don't tow the political line.

Throwing of standards out the window, handing TAFE over to dodgy private companies offering bogus courses, universities passing people because they are fee payers, dodgy materials, goods and workers accepted from overseas because they buy a lot of stuff from us; generally standards being sacrificed on the altar of commercialism and privatisation. A race to the bottom.
 
SirRumpole said:
Former PMs saying "climate change is crap", when the vast bulk of evidence says otherwise, and threats to defund institutions that don't tow the political line.
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Abbott was dead right, it is carp and the vast bulk of evidence you speak about is a conglomeration of false and manipulated data asked for by the UN.

Go back to the appropriate thread and you will see lots of evidence of where NOAA, NASA and the CSIRO have been proven to fiddle with this so call evidence you talk about....Even NOAA self confessed to the fiddle.
 

It is a very complex situation and I cannot find any stats to satisfy your needs......There are plenty of scenarios to see on google......There are so many different circumstances which IMHO would be difficult to assess in general..

One case where this women had a heap of medical bills and stated she was well paid in her job but she needed the extra money to pay.

Another case where a female works in a casual job Tuesday to Thursday and is paid for 24 hours work...She has Monday and Friday off but then works on the weekend on penalty rates and earns almost double of her week job.....She is more than happy.

But when you look at the overall picture, the unions strived to have the 40 hours per week reduced to 38 hours because they said people need the extra time off to relax and now you see people wanting to work longer hours.......Then there was a recent case where some PS refused to work an extra 9 minutes per day.

Then you have a situation where Pauline Hanson on Insiders stated this morning where she was compelled to pay something like $32 per hour for workers on the weekends when McDonalds, through a union deal was allowed to pay a lot less.......I thought the unions once stated there should be equal pay for equal jobs....Then you have the case of the union deal done by Bill Shorten where he diddled the workers of Clean Event of $400,000,000 on penalty rates.....Perhaps we should have another Royal Commission into the rorting done by Bill Shorten, not forgetting the Chiquita case also.
 
SirRumpole said:
BS.
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If you were to go to the appropriate thread, you will observe plenty of evidence of Climate Change fiddling.

Under Resisting climate hysteria, check out links to posts :-

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There is plenty more beyond the above.
Enjoy the reading.
 
I must admit I pass the cost of penalty rates onto clients. The clients themselves generally make the decision to move activities to weekends.

The other issue about hospitality rates I have is that it's not unusual to see a surcharge on public holidays to cover the extra cost and it doesn't seem to stop bums on seats.

With any business, good planning based on product/service knowledge should result in both product placement and pricing to succeed in making profit.

That restaurants close on a weekday (eg Tuesday) says heaps about when the actual busiest days are and that is probably Saturday and Sunday. Which, to me, means there must be a lot of people who don't work thus busting the myth that the weekend is no longer one for leisure.
 

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When I go to a restaurant - or any other place that's open for business at ungodly hours - I do so because I have a reason. I want to enjoy myself at this particular day/ time; I may have a budget for it, but the cost is of subordinate concern.

To the owner of any such business I'd say, it's more important to have good staff who are smiling, attentive, and making sure that I get what I came for. If you can't afford to pay them regulation wages, if your business profit depends on your underpaying your staff, then you've set the wrong priorities, your business model is flawed, and you shouldn't be in business in the first place.

For those reasons, I believe the FWT got this one wrong. They were leaning towards small business owners whingeing that weekend penalty rates make them unprofitable and uncompetitive. That's BS. Their competitors have to work under the same rules, pay the same penalty rates. There is only so much cash in customers' pockets, and the customer will pick where to spend it. If a small biz doesn't make enough profit, the reason is either oversupply of similar offers in the same space, or insufficient quality and customer service driving the traffic elsewhere.

Customers don't owe you a living. You owe your customers the best service. Make sure your staff are happy to represent you in the best way, and voila! your boxes are ticked.
 
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I'll give it 6 months after it's implemented. Watch what happens, business groups will be whinging about penalty rates again. That's what happened last time when Sunday rates were cut in 2014.

drsmith said:
Sadly, like Labor before it under Julia Gillard, the house of Liberal is ablaze.
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Yes it is but like the Gillard scenario it's not because of the leader, it's the right wingers destabilising the Govt by undermining the PM.

I reckon Malcolm Turnbull should leave the Libs and stay on as an independent PM. LOL
 
Michaelia Cash bought a property in Perth for $1.4m which was such a non event she forgot to declare it.

Josh Frydnberg considers it a minor event too. So far he isn't blaming Bill Shorten and Labor, but it's only a matter of time.
 
Tisme said:
Michaelia Cash bought a property in Perth for $1.4m which was such a non event she forgot to declare it.

Josh Frydnberg considers it a minor event too. So far he isn't blaming Bill Shorten and Labor, but it's only a matter of time.
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In that case, following the precedent set by Ley, she should resign from the Cabinet.
 

MacDonalds, have a good union deal...They allowed to pay their staff a lot less than their competitors.
 
Doesn't look like Mr Turnbull has a need to resign just yet.
Voters still have him at the top of the pack as the best person to lead the Liberals.
  • Malcolm Turnbull 20%
    Julie Bishop 17%
    Tony Abbott 10%
    Scott Morrison 2%
    Christopher Pyne 2%
    Peter Dutton 2%
    "someone else" 18%
    "don't know" 28%
I'd give Scott Morrison a higher rating myself.
http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...s/news-story/ed1316a13599024b1b4358d97180caf4
 
Looking at those ratings, I'd give "Dont Know" the job. Make Someone Else the Deputy. Together, they should be doing a much better job than the current bunch of self-centred nincompoops.
 
pixel said:
Looking at those ratings, I'd give "Dont Know" the job. Make Someone Else the Deputy. Together, they should be doing a much better job than the current bunch of self-centred nincompoops.
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Peter Dutton would probably get it after distribution of preferences from the "someone elses" and "don't cares".
 
I would suggest, with Tisme post, lets get Billy in and open the flood gates.lol
 
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