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WTF !! Are you trying to say there is a scientific basis to this CC shite ? And who is this (Kylie) Mole your banging on about.?
Chemistry:
CO2 solubility at atmospheric pressure is .0013 mole fraction in water at 0 degrees (compared to the other little molecules of stuff). At 10 degrees it's .0009 , about 2/3 as soluble. At 20 degrees it's .0007 , around half as soluble.
In 200 years there has been 1300 gig tonnes CO2 added , 800 into air and 500 into water. Our rate is now at 2000 gt per 200 years , 1500 to air and 500 to water. Then the solubility is 2/3 normal. A rising part of rising CO2 load is added each year to air , compounding the compounded interest .
OK sixth grade extinction.Let’s stop calling this the Sixth Great Extinction.
OK sixth grade extinction.
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http://www.carboeurope.org/education/CS_Materials/CO2solubility.pdf
So despite all the talk of coal being yesterdays fuel, and we should be shutting it down etc, its something that has contributed heavily to Australia's income as we lose out on revenue from Education, Tourism, wine sales, lobster sales etc from China.Soaring demand for electricity in China and India has put a rocket under the coal market with prices for the fossil fuel hitting a record high despite efforts to de-carbonise the global economy.
Australian miners have been fetching up to $US180 a tonne for their benchmark thermal coal deliveries this week, setting a new high of more than $240/t in Australian dollar terms.
The record comes barely six months since prices plumbed lows of just $US50/t as miners dealt with the twin blows of a COVID-induced economic downturn and China's unofficial decision to ban Australian imports.
Viktor Tanevski, the principle coal research analyst at consultancy Wood Mackenzie, said there had been a surge in power use — which was closely tied to coal consumption — as major Asian economies reopened.
Per capita we are pretty much the worst emitter and if we don't start pulling our weight soon we can expect sanctions from the EU and maybe even the USA.The Psychology of climate change.
If one were to look at the debate both in AUS and overseas, the Oz government is constantly berated for "not doing enough", or not having a coherent policy" etc etc.
And yet, if OZ were to just stop using anything that produces CO2 right now, we would make a minuscule impact on the environment.
The complainants seem to turn a deaf ear and blind eye to the major Co2 emitters in the world.
The top 15 emitters of CO2 contribute 72% of it.
Australia , at 1.% of global emissions does not fit in the top 15.
China, 28%, USA 15% , India 7% , Russia 5%, Japan at 3% make the top 5 for 58% of CO2 emissions.
And of course we will likely be blamed for the fact that we export coal to other countries to burn.
From ABC News
So despite all the talk of coal being yesterdays fuel, and we should be shutting it down etc, its something that has contributed heavily to Australia's income as we lose out on revenue from Education, Tourism, wine sales, lobster sales etc from China.
Its this sort of foreign income that allows us the foreign reserves to buy all that stuff we import - the solar panels from China, the Electric Vehicles from anywhere, the computers , mobile phones, the Wind farm generators and towers, etc etc.
Bit lucky for us.
Mick
Exactly how are we subsidising coal?Per capita we are pretty much the worst emitter and if we don't start pulling our weight soon we can expect sanctions from the EU and maybe even the USA.
The next meeting will be interesting.
The farmers groups in particular are worried.
We can't continue to subsidise coal to help it compete against renewables.
Private companies in Australia can see the future. The new solar battery plant being designed in the north of the country to supply power to Singapore is a good example.
not sure if this is the light you'll find to shed on the subject, MickExactly how are we subsidising coal?
The companies pay tax on their income.
There are mining royalties on coal (it varies from state to state and whether its open cut, underground above o below 400 metres etc).
So what are the subsidies given to them?
Mick
and this def sheds "some" light on what Knobby was alluding toPer capita we are pretty much the worst emitter and if we don't start pulling our weight soon we can expect sanctions from the EU and maybe even the USA.
The next meeting will be interesting.
The farmers groups in particular are worried.
We can't continue to subsidise coal to help it compete against renewables.
Private companies in Australia can see the future. The new solar battery plant being designed in the north of the country to supply power to Singapore is a good example.
The article said that part of the figure was made up by money spent by state governments on rail, ports, and other infrastructure.not sure if this is the light you'll find to shed on the subject, Mick
no name or credentials so hard to judge the value of the piece
"In fact, $10.3 billion in Government subsidies means that in 2020,
every minute of every day $19,686 was effectively given to coal, oil and
gas companies and major users of fossil fuels."
Australian fossil fuel subsidies hit $10.3 billion in 2020-21
Fossil fuel subsidies cost Australians a staggering $10.3 billion in FY 2020-21 with one Commonwealth tax break alone ($7.84 billion) exceeding the $7.82australiainstitute.org.au
This Points to $4 billion since 2003 to develop CCS/carbon capture and storage... Coal and GasExactly how are we subsidising coal?
The companies pay tax on their income.
There are mining royalties on coal (it varies from state to state and whether its open cut, underground above o below 400 metres etc).
So what are the subsidies given to them?
Mick
So, you are basing your effort on a fake Ad from Juice Media?This Points to $4 billion since 2003 to develop CCS/carbon capture and storage... Coal and Gas
As to your tax and royalties. Qatar exports less gas than Australia and recieves north of $25billion/ annum in royalties. Australia recieves in royalties??? I think we've just scratched over $1 billion
And thats just coal. Ad its just queensland. But I am sure you get my message.Queensland’s coal royalties reached a record breaking contribution of $3.8 billion for 2017-18 to the State Budget, up from a previous record of $3.4 billion in 2016-17.
The boost in royalties will pay for the Palaszczuk government’s infrastructure and vital services such as health and education.
Along with the increased contribution from minerals and LNG, the overall resources sector experienced a hike in royalties which amounted to $4.3 billion this financial year. With a boost expected from petroleum and minerals, the Budget forecasted further climb in total royalties next financial year up to a total of $4.5 billion.
And Mulligan??? you bring this level of knowledge to an investment forum??? god help you...
It's a good point Mullokintyre regarding the loss or royalties.So, you are basing your effort on a fake Ad from Juice Media?
The thing about carbon capture and storage is that if they get it to work (a big if), it can keep right on reducing the CO2 even after the Co2 emissions are stabilised, and we can get back to pre industrial levels if people think thats a good idea.
Well, I don't know where the figure of 1 billion came from, but according to
Mineral Council
And thats just coal. Ad its just queensland. But I am sure you get my message.
As I am a comitted athiest, I doubt yours or anyone else;s god is going to help me, should there be any faint chance I was interested.
But thanks for for generous offer.
Mick
Never assume a government won't spend a lot of time and effort in looking for ways to skim some off the top.It's a good point Mullokintyre regarding the loss or royalties.
It's true that with renewables, once you build it you just get free power with no royalty payments to government.
There will definitely be infrastructure costs that have to be paid for.Never assume a government won't spend a lot of time and effort in looking for ways to skim some off the top.
Notice the sort of gyrations they are going through looking for ways to get users of EV's to pay some equivalent of the fuel excise tax, plus GST that ICE cars now pay. Govts need to pay for the roads and other infrastructure, so somewhere it will cost EV users.
Its a bit like the transmission costs we now pay for in our electricity bills. I still pay a fixed charge every month on my electric bill whether I use any electricity or not.
Same with water, there is an infrastructure charge.
Once they have killed off all the fossil fuels, you can bet your life that green levies will start to appear, with the usual justification.
Mick
So once again I ask, why are CO2 molecules emitted by China and India different from the CO2 molecules that Australia emits?China has told Britain it will not yield to international pressure to further improve its climate change commitments at the Cop26 climate change conference in Glasgow.
Beijing’s warning came after Alok Sharma, the UK senior climate change representative, arrived for pre-summit talks with the intention of persuading China to “enhance” its targets to curb carbon emissions.
An official Chinese pledge that carbon emissions will peak by 2030 has resulted in recent months in a flurry of provincial governments commissioning new coal-fired power stations, critics said.
Sharma arrived in the northern city of Tianjin on Sunday for talks with his Chinese counterpart, Xie Zhenhua, China’s special climate envoy, on “how we work together” to ensure the November summit is successful.
Yesterday he met vice-premier Han Zheng for what he called a “constructive discussion”.
For its part, China, the world’s largest carbon emitter, said it would not adjust its targets that carbon use will peak by 2030 and that it will be carbon neutral by 2060.
What is your contribution?There is so little logic applied to so much of the climate debate.
And your evidence is what?The climate debate has become a political game of power struggles.
Another conspiracy theory!The climate is just one of a number of pawns that are used to sizee authority and place it in the hands of the elites.
Many of us in "the country" have beach houses or huts, and will be severely affected if rising sea levels occur.
gg
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