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The hidden chemicals in fruit and vegetables

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I heard this story number of times, that imported stuff doesn’t have to comply with strict Australian rules and many imported products simply don’t have any info that they are.

Quite funny, recently I could not buy Australian grown garlic, all comes from China; I have to accept fact that I might consume more than I want.

With free trade agreement, most probably we will not have any Australian agricultural products at all, on our shelves.

Human waste traces problem must be solved before then.
 
Agreed happy. Its pretty unfair for our producers to comply with strict guidelines when imports have no regulation whatsoever. I consequently try to buy organic food, its australian and free of chemicals.
 
Not fruit but hows this:

Went for a trip to Tassie over Xmas.

Cold place but great scenary, fresh air and good fishing. Went to the local Jetties a few times and caught Squid and fish.

So, it was to my suprise that when I went to the Launcetson Coles to buy some more Squid to have enough to make up a BBQ that the Squid they were selling was imported from China! I was amazed. Here I was in Tassie, with Fishing a big industry and I had to buy squid from China??? Mind you I refused in disgust.

To Tasmania's credit, the shops at least have to specify where the product comes from. The reality is that Coles and Woolies are probably flogging this stuff off to us all over Australia because they can make an extra 1 cent margin or something. Shame on you Coles (and Woolies if you do this also). Selling Squid from China in Coles the Australian supermarket. Lower quality, not to mention probably old (would surely have been 2 months old by the time it reaches the supermarket for sale and full of preservative) and not promoting local produce from local suppliers.
 

Think about it, consumers demanding lower prices are the reason the Supermarkets stock the stuff.

They are forcing food producers out of business....no not Coles, or Woolies, YOU, and you and you, whoever buys the non local stuff thats who. Coles would not supply it unless their was demand.

If you want local you pay for it, simple as that. Chinese is cheap as is their labour.

I think we should have a local grocery store, selling local produce.

Thats certainly what the Chinese are doing here. Theres not much imported stuff on the shelves, Trust me!

Cheers,
 

Agree!

Pay up for good quality, local food. Organic if possible.

Support your community
 
CanOz said:
Think about it, consumers demanding lower prices are the reason the Supermarkets stock the stuff.

I'm not so sure...
I think its the other way around...
It's big business profits...
and the sneaky buggers never advertise what is imported and whats local...

If you think about some of the markups placed by woolies and coles.... They are making 1000% on the wholesale price...

Buying imported product allows them to make 1100% markup instead of a 1000%....

I'd be very surprised if they actually pass on the savings to the consumer.

Frankly, I would urge everyone to stop shopping at woollies and coles. The only way they will truly start reducing their margins is when there is geniune competition from farmers markets, local shops...

But then, that is the very people they are trying to drive out of business...
 
Possibly another chicken and egg puzzle.

It is possible that consumer caused import.

But isn’t it possible, that as mentioned above the stores imported to pocket bigger chop, still selling cheaper.

Kind of WIN – WIN situation, on the surface.
 
CanOz said:
"They are forcing food producers out of business....no not Coles, or Woolies, YOU, and you and you, whoever buys the non local stuff thats who. Coles would not supply it unless thier was demand."

Well based on what I said this can't always be true. I didn't buy the squid because it was from China. I went without instead. If they had local, I would have bought it. I even asked them if they had local instead and then expressed my disappointment.

So I agree with Rafa, it's the supermarkets, not me, me, me and me.

If it was due to me and they wanted the sale, then the squid would have been local. Instead they made nothing as I did not buy it.
 
Over here in WA last year there was quite a ruckus made over labeling of imported foods. Coles and Woolworths objected to the any labeling. Why? My guess is there is quite a substantial base of people who would buy australian even if they had to pay extra.
 
The origin of food doesn't have to be labelled in the other states? It is here in Tassie and IMO that's a damn good thing to be doing.

There was a big debate about importing New Zealand apples a few years ago. The Tasmanian growers' argument against it was simply that NZ apples are known to carry the fireblight disease which Tassie is free of. Importing those apples would thus threaten the local industry not due to competition but due to disease thus undermining the state's exports which are heavily based on the "disease free" aspect.

Quite often in the shops I notice food being sold not only in terms of the country of origin but also the state when it's Australian grown. Tasmanian this, SA that and Vic something else. A perfectly reasonable system IMO.

All this unnecessary shipping of food around the world is at best a waste of fuel (and therefore greenhouse emissions). At worst we end up with something that isn't fit to eat.

Judging by the way the big fast food companies have dealt with Tasmanian potato growers in recent times I'd say what Coles and Woolworths are doing is lead by them rather than consumers. I don't recall anyone ever saying that McDonald's fries were no good or too expensive because of the Tassie potatoes used to make them. But that didn't stop them wanting to dump local producers in favour of imports which were presumably cheaper.

Meanwhile, I see that Woolworths is selling it's own brand of chips made in the Netherlands. Selling that in Tasmania is about as logical as importing coal into Queensland or selling Vodka to the Russians. But Wollies are doing it - profit being the only possible explanation.
 
And who is driving Woolies and Coles towards bigger profits? Who is demanding more revenue and profitable growth?

SHAREHOLDERS.
 
Has anyone thought about the hidden chemicals in humans. There are antibiotics, blood pressure tablets, anticholesterol tablets, vitamins, stimulants, antidepressants, illicit substances , and numerous other additives, all polluting unsuspecting predators such as sharks, crocs, lions, scorpions, and worms.

This will lead to an inevitable knock on effect where our cabbages and brocolli will become unfit for our childrens' consumption, much to their delight.

Could we have a statement on this from our green members.

Garpal
 
Not even Aspirin in this greenie... not even alcohol now. Safe eating for those sharks, crocs, lions, scorpions, and worms.
 

Interesting though. I used to make leather upholstery and we used to get returns where the colour was stripped out of the leather where the owners' hair and hands contacted.

This took some sleuthing but we eventually determined that in every case the owner was on heart pills.
 

Dear wayneL,

Good on you,

I'll mention it to a pointy headed mate of mine who does research on cardiac medication. You may get your AO or Nobel sooner than you think!!. I'll carry yer bags.

Garpal
 
Re the original post on this thread, I refuse to be concerned about possibly consuming some micro amount of something nasty.

When I was a child my grandfather was known throughout the district for the wonderful fruit and vegetables he grew. The size, colour and flavour was amazing. That garden consisted of a greater proportion of animal manure than basic dirt.

My parents continued with the same principles but added pesticides as well to control the insects. We all ate richly from the crops.

We have all been healthy and never had any ill effects.

There is, in my view, far too much hysteria about the various possible sources of harm we can come to from whatever source. We have become a risk averse society and want to be kept safe from everything, however, remote the risk might be.

Don't worry so much and just enjoy the wonderful variety of food we have available.

Julia
 

That may be true to an extent but its the culminative effect that worry me. My uncle predominantly consumes organic produce from his farm and looks 20 years younger then his real age. Peter Cundall from Gardening Australia is a more public example of a person who consumes organic only produce. Would you believe he is 80. My point is that heavy minerals, pesticides and herbicides can accumulate in the body over time leading to all kinds of health problems later in life (cancer, parkinsons, alzheimers, heart disease). These are problems i could do without even if they won't manifest for 20+ years. Don't forget what dioxins did when they were used as pesticides.
 
CanOz said:
And who is driving Woolies and Coles towards bigger profits? Who is demanding more revenue and profitable growth?

SHAREHOLDERS.

I would narrow that down to Fund Managers.
 

Dear Julia,


We were sent out to the rural rellies, from the city, in northern summer to feed us up, and to work on the family farm.

Agree totally.

Just thinking about it, I can smell the pigs, cattle, milking cows, chooks, turkeys and the tales of foxes, badgers and other predators.

Garpal
 
i think that the first mistake of this thread was, "A study by Today Tonight".
 
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