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America a Failed State and a Rogue State to the rest of the World

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USA just passed Italy at CV19 infection rates !!!

Trumps new press secretary …. declared Trump never has told a lie and always tells the truth. She proclaimed she will not lie in her first press conference. Sorry if you needed laxative, well we now have it via the 31 year old propagandist.

I note USA has 36,000 new cases 1st May 2020 and 66,000 deaths. I also note their models which were touted to the press are all broken and one has total deaths adjusted up 5 times to now 72,433- seems to have all death stopping in USA as ordered by the resident idiots.



https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america



USA and Gilead drug that supposedly helps CV19 the peer reviewed scientific paper on its trial, shows NO change to anything other than adverse reactions. This was released on the 29th April the day after it was claimed it was of some use.



We await the actual USA trial and removing 10% of patients from the trial with extreme reactions of which 8 at least died, makes the actual mortality rate 16% verse 11% … WORSE … not better WORSE.

Australia and its numbers remain encouraging. As does NZ. USA with a broken system and seriously infected presenting latter and often beyond much hope other than let the virus run its course already has a sobbingly awful mortality rate.

Some states, Florida has taken to deliberate not reporting CV19 as cause of death. If they die as often is the case via heart attack as the lungs stop functioning via CV19, stress on the heart cases a heart attack, cause of death ? Even if your postie for CV19, medical examiners put heart attack as cause of death !!

USA, has not a hope. For their medical system and society with 11 million illegals who unless nearly dead will not get tested for fear of being deported is one issue. Second is 80 million on Medicaid which is an awful cover leaves them also unlikely to be tested because they will get smacked with a massive bankrupting bill on the side. Medicare not much better for 60 million. Then those insured, with deductibles of $3,000- needed to be paid first by the patient and then $1,500 co payments and this is the type of cover for say 100 million out of 130 million, the visit to the doctor or emergency room is last resort.

Basically a perfect breeding ground for a virus. If your poorer more than likely you live in a big household. If your poor you have little savings and need to work. I will have a sandwich please with virus on the side !!

I think it would be fair to say the USA is a “Failed State” right now in terms of its role as a government for the overall people. Its failed. Open and exposed. CV19 for now is just exposing the medial side of things. Society will not be the same for the USA post CV19. The indifference of the fate of the majority and seeing food banks swamped by people of all colours, astounding.

Last point and this also is clear is that USA not only is failed state, USA is a “Rouge State” for the rest of the world. USA policy under Trump not much different than Obama and Bush and Clinton. USA first. Open economic terrorism has abounded for many years. Actions of USA based and controlled credit rating agencies are absurd. USA state sponsored tax theft is assumed will continue post CV19 when all nations are faced with 50% more debt to GDP ? USA has been the worlds policeman post WW2 but increasingly more a brutal monster with some actions.



In 2019, USA was ranked number one in terms of being prepared for a pandemic. Ranked in the very upper end of medical systems when recently in 2020 many ER people were wearing garbage bags as protective gear. People who should have been in hospital for weeks were and still are arriving dead or near dead in ambulances with blood oxygen levels in the 60's.

USA openly and actively is not only slashing funding to say the UN or WHO, its trying to destroy them. World Bank and IMF are adjunct USA policy arms and their statistics are a joke when what one nation calls one statistic is vastly different to another. Without fail, they favour the USA for these institutions.

I am sure, USA will as always attempt to assert its authority. Its actions post 2016 with threatening virtually every nation with actions, will, of course continue but with, I suspect, virtually zero tolerance as time goes on for tax theft via the likes of Microsoft and Amazon, FB and Google.

Only time will of course tell. Not an environment easy to navigate.

Retail sector for those with virus issue till a vaccine a USA restaurant already likely struggling paying a waitress $3.40 an hour plus tips ? To get infected with say 33% of the customers ? Amusing and once habits change, as they have been forced to, the longer it goes on, the longer it takes to even think about going back.

My model still optimistic with 1.7 million reported as seriously infected in the USA by June 30th 2020 and 128,000 REPOTED deaths.

Of course, its now a race for who can be more dishonest, China or USA with its reporting.

With now 19 states after a mere 3 weeks break and infections at 4 times any EU nation right now being currently, CURRENTLY reported, lets go back to work.

As such science meets stupidity yet again ….

Likely double the numbers even reported by end of 2020 for USA and 3.4 million seriously infected, likely 250,000 deaths end of 2020 and well … who shall we blame ?

It is science. It is maths. Things ultra far right deny and do so with revisionist propaganda to try and cover the graves.

Right now, USA has more infections per capita than even Italy !!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

It is testing at per capita similar levels to Italy finally, but has tested merely 66% as many overall !!

Its likely its current infection rate is close to Spain and worlds worst.

Italy locked down on the 3rd March and Maybe relaxes a bit by 8 weeks. USA well it only locked down for 20 states April 3rd and opened back up for 19 on the 26th to 29th April. Active unidentified cases are 4 times MORE and clearly so being identified each day in the USA. Outcome does not take a rocket scientist or anyone with an IQ over 50 to work out.

CV19 is a virus. It is immune to political bull. It thrives upon stupidity.

Calling USA a failed state, is mild. Whilst CV19 would have hit the severity already of USA actions to date have it at DOUBLE where it should have been. Since that will double by June 30th 2020 and quadruple by end of 2020, what does one call this regime ?

Actions of USA pre CV19 to the rest of the world pre CV19, were rogue and designed with contempt for all non USA people not in the top 1%. These ranged from de-funding aid programs to trying to destroy the UN and EU at any and all opportunities to tearing up mutual non proliferation treaties for missiles and weapons to any other thing that suited the USA. USA was standing alone pre CV19 on many issues and post CV19, even late 2020 I fear the worst. I hope for more, but fear what a sociopath will do.

Declaring 10 out of 10 for his efforts on CV19 when 400 were dead and still doing it with 66,000 dead is absurd and disturbing.

I note today magically Trump who defeated the virus at 15 cases, was stuck on 60,000 deaths magically went to 100,000 verses Mondays estimate of 60,000.

At least most despot genocidal maniacs did not appear on TV to display their contempt and absolute contempt for human life.

Welcome to 2020 !!

A "Failed State" that clearly does not care about the welfare of its people is being nice.
Comparing it to a genocidal maniac state would be far more accurate. Its not as though they are not aware how the virus spreads and what need to be done to protect the people. Back to WORK now for $3.40 an hour as a waitress plus tips with 33% of the seating ... then again 16 States dont even have that !!

Take care

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I know it was accidental but a rouge state is apt.
Rouge:a cosmetic cream or powder for colouring the cheeks and lips.

It is sad but we are seeing from the USA is the political class putting lipstick on a pig.

I still predict 2 million deaths whether they count them or not.
 
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Its a challenging statement but IMV makes awful sense. In particular the destructiveness of the US to other countries under the Trump administration is scary.
Another example here.

Water
'It feels like nobody cares': the Americans living without running water amid Covid-19
As the pandemic leaves millions without work, taps are turned off even as the CDC calls for frequent hand-washing

...A third of American households – about 120 million people – still risk having their water disconnected and racking up exorbitant fees, despite calls from a coalition of lawmakers and advocates to suspend all utility shutoffs until the country drags itself out of this unprecedented crisis. And while more than 600 localities and 13 states have mandated moratoriums on disconnecting residents since early March, some of these will soon expire as states reopen for business.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/01/water-shutoffs-us-coronavirus-utilities-economy
 

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You call the USA a failed state.

The USA is by far, far above and beyond any other, the country which most people in the world would choose to move to if they had the choice.

How many people want to move to live under the tyrany of the CCP???

Sure, it has a lot of problems, but if the country with the world's largest economy, largest military, and the most people wishing they could live there is a failed state, I'm not sure if anywhere in the world counts as a success. Your hatred of it does not make it a failure.
 
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I'm sure there are parts of the US that are nice to live in. Most of middle America is just like middle Australia I'd say, and life goes on regardless of who is in government.

But there seem to be a lot more areas (compared to Australia and considering a larger population) that are poor, crime ridden and downtrodden which is a fairly stark contrast to the wealth and privilege of the better areas.

So I wouldn't consider the US "failed", just that it needs "a bit of work" to drag a few of the poorer areas out of the gutter.

We don't really appreciate how good we have it in Australia. NZ, Canada, Germany, Sweden would be other candidates for a good place to live, but pick the right area of the USA and you could be quite happy.
 

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I'm sure there are parts of the US that are nice to live in. Most of middle America is just like middle Australia I'd say, and life goes on regardless of who is in government.

But there seem to be a lot more areas (compared to Australia and considering a larger population) that are poor, crime ridden and downtrodden which is a fairly stark contrast to the wealth and privilege of the better areas.

So I wouldn't consider the US "failed", just that it needs "a bit of work" to drag a few of the poorer areas out of the gutter.

We don't really appreciate how good we have it in Australia. NZ, Canada, Germany, Sweden would be other candidates for a good place to live, but pick the right area of the USA and you could be quite happy.

I think even that is putting it harshly. All you need to do in the USA to have a good life is not make the choice to be a gutter rat. There's a reason countless uneducated people with no money desperately want to go there; they know that all you need to make a decent life there is an able body and a strong work ethic. You find the weakest work ethics among people who come from very comfortable (successful) countries.
 

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A land of extremes. Yes. But then, there are 350million people, and a vigorous economy

But stereotyping and running cliches is pointless. People get on with lives.

This BBC report is informative, the 3'28" clip at the end especially so.

Coronavirus: New York becomes Ground Zero again

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52495746
 
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Gilead and its magic Drug .... Remdesivir ...

I have never seen a drug in a clinical trial with 60% adverse effects.

NEVER.

New England Journal of medicine. Initial trail ... where it should have stopped.

A total of 32 patients (60%) reported adverse events .... A total of 12 patients (23%) had serious adverse events.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007016

So if in 20 years one has never seen such a dangerous useless drug advance why did this one ?

I know the answer, but rather than use cliches or opinion, would you care to ask why ?
It does go to the heart of what the USA is right now. A failed corrupt state.

Winner gets a free course ... of bleach, which is less harmful.

PS, as a long term resident of the USA ... I have and had no desire to live there longer than was required. Some may aspire to live there from poor nations, but not many developed ones wish to live there. Most of the thousands of Australians I knew there working in the USA returned back home, whilst enjoying their time there, glad to be back to Australia.
 
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Gilead and its magic Drug .... Remdesivir ..

I will add this drug developed for Ebola totally failed and amazingly even with Ebola patients it was cited for adverse side effects and actually had a higher morality rate than the control case.

So why would a drug with question marks advance for CV19 beyond phase 1 ? especially when that trial was a total fail ? How is this possible ? Why is it possible ?
 

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Failed state? LMAO!

It of course has deep problems, and may yet fail at some point in the future, but I think there are a fair few nations in that queue before the US gets there.
 

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Everyone knows everything is bigger and better in the US .

An article from The Atlantic along similar lines...
We Are Living in a Failed State
The coronavirus didn’t break America. It revealed what was already broken.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/underlying-conditions/610261/

You need a rather peculiar outlook to think America is broken. Sure, it has problems, but fundamentally broken enough to label it as a broken country? Don't believe the anti American media. It's not the world's most popular country because of propaganda or media bias. It's far, far from perfect, but there are plenty of valid reasons it's the country most in demand as a place to call home.
 

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Sigh ....

Pick your favorite of the 100 ... days ...

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/04/trump-coronavirus-timeline/

These are direct quotes. Not opinion, views but factual accounts.

If you wanted to make something with just 10% as much bias but on the other side of neutral, you'd make Trump look like the biggest genius that ever there was.

But of course that would be 10% as stupid as the nonsense you just posted.

What's the point in spreading ultra-biased, grossly dishonest propaganda? If you believe such nonsense it's no wonder you have such a pessimistic, bleak, negative outlook as demonstrated here.

To give yourself an idea of how ridiculous bias looks, take a look at the right-biased media, consider that it's no more biased than the garbage you are currently following, and stop to think about that. Through the lenses you see the world through it will look far more insane than it actually is (don't get me wrong, it's still insane), and that's how insane your garbage looks to people on the other side. Somewhere in the middle is reality, which few people seem to be interested in these days.

Don't be a part of the polarisation problem, on either side.
 
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A friend of mine was on staff at the White House. She worked as part of a cleaning and maintenance crew for roughly 20 years. She worked primarily after hours so she was able to get a glimpse of the private lives of several presidents.

She was hired by President Clinton’s administration, but only saw him in passing because she was pretty low on the totem pole. She said he seemed friendly and cordial, but she never interacted with him.

She served under President George W. Bush, and praised him. Apparently, he was always quite friendly and engaged frequently with the staff. He had frequently shaken her hand or patted her on the shoulder as he passed.

By the time President Obama came into office she had moved into a senior role in her department. She met President and Mrs. Obama frequently, and they both were extremely dedicated to knowing their staff. President Obama was even more approachable than Mrs. Obama, as she reported. She said he generally took the time to get to know everyone that he could.

She also said that President Obama was very intense. He seemed far more focused on the work than either of the previous presidents. As such, sometimes she felt like he didn’t realize she was in the room because some activity had his overwhelming focus. For example, he would be reading in the evenings and not seem to notice that a staff member entered the room. She said he was “always studying”.

She also served briefly under President Trump. She said that the White House changed radically. She is black, and felt that the entire senior staff disregarded virtually everyone that worked in the White House under President Obama. Many longtime employees looked for jobs elsewhere. She took a retirement package at the end of 2017. She told me that almost none of the people of color who left were replaced with others of color. She said she literally did not know of one person hired by the new Chief of Staff that was black, and only a handful were non-white.

She never could get into specifics because she was forced to sign a nondisclosure agreement for President Trump. There had always been policies geared toward keeping the private lives of the Presidents private, but never a “sign this or you’re fired” type of atmosphere.

Jason Tweed, BA Communications & Public Relations, Edinboro University of Pennsylvania (1990)
 
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You need a rather peculiar outlook to think America is broken. Sure, it has problems, but fundamentally broken enough to label it as a broken country? Don't believe the anti American media. It's not the world's most popular country because of propaganda or media bias. It's far, far from perfect, but there are plenty of valid reasons it's the country most in demand as a place to call home.

There's nothing biased about my media sources. After I've read the Guardian and the Atlantic, I read ZeroHedge to maintain my balanced outlook on life.:roflmao:
 
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