i share very similar views to those you have discussed above, but surely our housing market isnt entirely dependent on the performance of the world economy? there must be some underlying factors here at home holding prices at current, other than just sentiment? or is it wholly based on whether the world forces us into recession that we will see it plummet? i have no doubt that global issues will have a huge affect on our market, especially in regards to foreign investors, but to what extent i am unsure of at this point.
mr triguboff(Meriton) is the first to admit in some instances upwards of 50% of his apartment sales are to foreign investors, however is beginning to decline rapidly. this to has contributed to the perfect storm, and the government should have been far more strict regarding this issue imo.
The main contributor to a decent fall in Oz RE will be unemployment.
As stated by myself on more than one occassion is that a 10% fall from peak median national prices is only a healthy correction, above that and we might just see a crash.
But while unemployment is low and people are still confident that there is plenty of work around to keep paying their mortgage and I cannot see a rush to the gates and a significant drop in prices.
Could we see a real slow down in the Oz economy due to global events, hell yes, will it happen, more than likely yes, when will it happen. I could be in the grave before it does.
Cheers
Just a quick note for those that think that renters are drying up and that landlords may need to take a haircut. The tenants in my Northern Beaches (Sydney) unit decided to vacate after renting from me for 15 Months. The agent called me and said we should do a Wednesday afternoon open for rental inspection. On that inspection I had 7 groups of people through looking, 5 took applications and the next day one was lodged and accepted by the agent at full asking rental of $430 p/w. They paid a bond of 4 weeks rent and 2 weeks rent in advance. There are no shortages of tenants in my area and prices are holding firm and I am very happy with my investment.
Good on ya Bill.
I actually agree with you that while property prices may fall a bit, rental rates will stay firm.
I owned rental property in the 80's making 25% in the bank for a bit over three years investment. I can relate to you tennancy demand. Back then I hardly missed a days rent. I would put an advert in the paper the day the tennent moved out, drive down to bris to clean up if necessary and sign in a new tennant from a list of prospects immediatly.
I'm getting interested in property again cos I'm thinking good rental occupancy rates and returns will be here for some time as property prises rise again in the longer term.
Good on ya Bill.
I actually agree with you that while property prices may fall a bit, rental rates will stay firm.
I owned rental property in the 80's making 25% in the bank for a bit over three years investment. I can relate to you tennancy demand. Back then I hardly missed a days rent. I would put an advert in the paper the day the tennent moved out, drive down to bris to clean up if necessary and sign in a new tennant from a list of prospects immediatly.
I'm getting interested in property again cos I'm thinking good rental occupancy rates and returns will be here for some time as property prises rise again in the longer term.
I agree there bro. Just ride this dip in property prices out. Rent it. Good stuff. Lots of young families will need housing soon. Great concept. Rba TO LEAVE RATES ON HOLD. bUT WHO CARES. BANKS WILL DO WHAT THEY LIKE ;-)
rental rates will only hold provided prices dont fall too much. tennancy demand should hold in a downturn provided landlords drop their rent price with interest rates, as these will undoubtedly come down as prices fall. this will only work if the downturn lasts short-term. long-term and large falls and it all goes out the window.
I think you will find that rental prices are much more sensitive to vacancy rates than interest rates or property price movements. For example, vacancy rates in many areas of Melbourne are still near historic lows and rents are firm or rising. Don't expect big falls in rental prices just because house prices or interest rates fall, these factors are not as correlated as you assume here.
rental rates will only hold provided prices dont fall too much. tennancy demand should hold in a downturn provided landlords drop their rent price with interest rates, as these will undoubtedly come down as prices fall. this will only work if the downturn lasts short-term. long-term and large falls and it all goes out the window.
The ABS pdf you linked to says average weekly total earnings in 1991 was $596/week. How does that equate to $17k/year?trainspotter said:Clearly your myopic view of RE is misguided by your own sense of comprehension of the matter at hand. Prices WERE NOT CHEAPER back then. You really need to do some research before posting.
In 1991 the average median house price was $121,125 http://www.econ.mq.edu.au/research/2...elson_9_04.pdf
In 1991 the average income was $17,614 http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@....3?opendocument
So therefore this would be 7 times the average income in 1991. So what has changed?
EASY CREDIT ...... you could get a house and land package deal with $500 deposit and a job. Financiers would loan you 95% LVR and compound the interest and the LMI into the loan taking borrowings past 100%.
But you know all of this because you have studied and trade in RE .......
There is one dynamic that I think you are forgetting or unaware of atm.
Since the GFC Aus savings rates have increased quite a bit, ie people are putting away more savings into various forms and reducing debt. They do not wish to carry the same level of debt they did previously.
The implications of this is slower demand for both new house construction (despite gov incentives) as well as slower established house sales.
The higher rate of savings also has implications for slower land development for new houses.
Collectively, this higher savings dynamic causes this cycle to be a bit different to recent cycles, in particular strong rental demand despite the movement in property prices.
it cant be argued that rental prices and demand are not strong at the moment. im simply curious as to whether this will be the case if this downward trend were to continue.
property prices and rents do not move to the beat of the same drum.
Property prices decreasing does not mean rents will decrease, and property prices rising does not mean rents will increase.
is it not naive to think that a strong move in either direction would not ultimately have some affect on rental income? whether it be positive or negative. it surely cannot be completely dismissed. if everyone is of this opinion then perhaps i am barking up the wrong tree in a big way.
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