Firstly let me say, well done for taking an interest in your financial future. I was about your age when i started taking an interest in investing. Just remember to have fun still in your youth, money isnt everything
What makes you think a car park space wont decrease in value? Do you have any historical data as to what car park prices have done? What if a new building and/or car-park is built next to where you buy? How quickly can you sell it if you need to?
I had a quick look and most of the ones i could find in Melbourne return about 5 - 7% net. So if you have a loan then you are basically paying the bank just to hold onto it one you take your interest rate into account. It might be an OK investment if you had the spare cash, but i would think it is hard to get out of if you need to, and the returns are not spectacular
Hi philworld,
Welcome to ASF!
My children want to inherit a sizable portfolio!
But none wish to discuss shares or other wealth creation.
So I take delight in seeing young people have a go.
Most importantly, I'd like to see you survive.
"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day"!
Would you guys have any other idea on your mind that may suit my situation?
Hi and thank you
Would you guys have any other idea on your mind that may suit my situation?
Index shares!!
You can buy index shares while you decide.
They follow the index (a collection of blue chip companies) of your choosing.
E.g.
ASX200, top 200 companies on the ASX
or
ASX20, top 20 companies on the ASX
How would you like to balance all that?
Hi Phil
Not meant to be an advice but from my own experience…
My mom was a huge fan of investing money in houses and properties and I owned a house from the age of 9 or 10, can’t remember… hang on, the house was managed by my parents and owned by the bank. IMO banks don’t want you to become insolvent, their business is money not houses nor other businesses or even car parks. What they really want is that you pay interest for a looong time.
To cut a long story short after some 15 years the house was paid off, incl. the bank interest I calculated that about 50% was paid by my parents and 50% by myself and the final price was about 200% - in other words, the bank earned the value of the initial price in cash.
Some years ago the estate market worsened in the region and I sold it for about 60% of the value it had five years earlier. The car parking space may not decrease that much in value (although you never know as prawn86 mentioned) but as I understand from your financial situation, you would need to give all earnings to the bank, maybe even more and that would be a shame.
I would try to find something where I am involved, I make the decisions and I can afford it and not depending on the bank too much. Stock market could be an option if you’re prepared to learn a little about how it works first. A good thing is to test your trading skills with a ‘realistic’ virtual trading account, so you don’t risk any actual money and if you start getting successful after half a year or so you can invest real money. Optionsxpress offer a free virtual account, however it’s for US equities only.
Another idea would be to invest in funds instead, that is perhaps less risky. Or the index shares burglar mentioned. One strange thing I noticed but don’t take my word for it, the graphs of the S&P/ASX 200 and S&P500 look very similar but what happens to the S&P5oo seems to be a few hours earlier most of the time because it’s US – could that be an advantage?
Good luck!
My dad has talked to me about buying me an apartment but I would need at least $20,000 for the deposit.
Should I just save up and buy one of those?
It seems like a good investment to me as because of how cheap the house is, it would be able to get pretty good rent meaning I don't have to stick too much extra onto the loan. In this case I wouldn't mind paying the extra money because houses ALWAYS rise in price (in the long run at least).
In this case I wouldn't mind paying the extra money because houses ALWAYS rise in price (in the long run at least).
I like the idea of virtual trading. But I am lost on how I can educate myself on the subject. I am also coming up to VCE and may or may not have enough time or effort to make this happen.
Thanks for your responses.
I could attach the charts for you but I am lazy.
Google UK property prices
Google US property prices
Last but my fav Google Japan property prices
Bet you they were saying that in Tokyo in 1989. 15 years is a long time.
Might want to rethink this statement, this is most definitely not always the case.
In my opinion, the best way for you to start educating yourself would be to spend some of that money buying some good, conservative investment books. Good places to start:
Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits.
The Intelligent Investor.
One Up on Wall Street.
Another excellent free resource available on the internet are the Annual Reports written by Warren Buffett for his company Berkshire Hathaway.
This should give you a good grounding, and illustrate the importance of investing long term, in good quality companies and the differences between 'trading' (speculating, gambling) and investing.
Also, keep in mind that anything that involves leverage (i.e a loan) will both magnify your potential returns and potential losses. The bigger the loan, the bigger the increase in risk. I.e having a $50,000 loan on a single car park is hugely risky in my opinion. You are highly leveraged into a singular asset, that is located in one precise location and it comprises 100% of your portfolio.
I will look into those sources, thanks a lot.
You seem to have a good point about the loan but what are the risks? Can't I just sell it (not as easy as said that done of course)? Isn't that just like someone spending all their money on a house except I am under a lot less financial pressure and the asset doesn't appreciate much(if at all)?
Again, I assume I am nowhere near as educated as any of you in this area so please do not take any offense from what I say.
I am here to learn
Thanks
A hypothetical situation to illustrate risks:
Buy 60k car park. 10k savings 50k loan.
In a year demand for car parks in that location significantly declines and the car park stops generating income.
Car park now worth 30k.
Sell and use money to pay off loan.
You are now left with no savings, no car park and 20k worth of debt.
You're welcome...I wouldn't mind paying the extra money because houses ALWAYS rise in price (in the long run at least).
I like the idea of virtual trading. But I am lost on how I can educate myself on the subject. I am also coming up to VCE and may or may not have enough time or effort to make this happen.
Thanks for your responses.
Thanks for your patience.
I understand what you mean now.
... Minimising loses is far more important than maximising profits. if you loose ...
Here is the Storm Financial thread.Could someone please link me to the thread or summarise why "risk averse" investors don't do well?
Normally I am not a "spelling Nazi" ... but for the most important of words!!
"Losses" is not the same as "Loses" and
"Lose" is not the same as "Loose".
I have no loose change, I lost it playing two-up! You dig!:
As you were!
Hi Phil!
Here's some info (i'm in a rush so dot points it is...)
- Read the thread in my signature
- Right now you have an awareness that you don't know much - seek to change that BEFORE you risk capital
- Know thyself - how risk averse is "Risk Averse" your level of risk aversion will change with knowledge and experience.
- What's the plan? Without a plan you plan to fail.... find a measureable goal and time period.
- Know that you are on a journey that will last you the rest of your life, enjoy it
Cheers
Sir O
Hi Philworld,
Have you thought about alternative investments? E.g.Art, stamps, classic cars...
Have you thought about running your own little business? E.g. Delivery routes, lawn mowing, burger van at sports events..
A friend of mine made a nice income on the side selling antiques on ebay. He specialised in a specific area and selling to the US market.
Cheers
... Thanks again and sorry about my delayed reply.
... Would anyone have any ideas? ...
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