Timmy
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As Timmy has suggested, you need to back up your claims with some evidence. So far there is no basis for suggesting one in 200 people who contract Swine Flu in Australia will die. We are well into the winter and so far 11 people have died, all of whom have been reported as having underlying pathology. The last report I read advised that around 3500 people nationwide have contracted the virus.No, it is not mild, and your attitude is very worrying. The swine flu has a mortality rate of 0.5%; i.e. 1 in 200 people with the virus will die. While that's "mild" compared to the Spanish Flu (2.5%, 1 in 40) it's much worse than the common flu (0.1%, 1 in 1000).
So what? The common cold could probably also be considered a pandemic in that it affects millions of people globally. Until I see confirmed evidence that swine flu is going to be a whole lot more serious than the ordinary influenza which afflicts thousands every year, I decline to panic.And the reason it's so serious is because it is now a pandemic. That means the virus is widespread with confirmed cases for over 100,000 people, and realistically will affect millions of people.
Again, you need to post some quantitative and qualitative evidence of this.And that is simply not true. I've seen many people repeat that myth, maybe for comfort, but it's not supported by the facts. Young healthy adults are spending weeks on breathing machines... they are the ones who *don't* die.
Why can't you post links? It's not difficult.Google for swine-flu-hits-young-healthy-adults-hard. I can't post links or I'd link directly.
And if they are, that's because that is the experience of most of us so far, and further it's what is being advised by the Federal Health Minister.Really? Because if anything I'd say the opposite is true. People are entirely laxidasical about the swine flu. I see very few people taking precautions. I see far more people saying "it's not that serious" or "it only affects old and sick people" or "I know somebody who got it and they're fine".
Now on this, I completely agree with you. But then I think anyone with a nasty cold should refrain from mixing it up in public. But such an opinion would be widely regarded as unreasonably cautious.Your attitude is the real danger. Especially so when someone catches swine flu and plays the "soldier-on" card by going to work, sniffling and sneezing, and making everyone else sick. Imagine you are in an office block and 1 in 200 people died. There are 3000 people in my office block; now imagine 15 of them dead. I'm not sure that would be viewed as just "hysteria".
And this has already been addressed. In those days the secondary bacterial infection could not be treated as penicillin had not been invented.The death rate from the 1918 pandemic was actually 20%; far higher than the mortality rate from the virus itself.
Thank you for your advice. However, I shall continue to treat swine flu as I see appropriate, and so far that is that it's a strain of influenza which is no worse than the ordinary Influenza which afflicts thousands every year.You should treat the swine flu with appropriate seriousness. Pretending it's simply a windup, or hysteria, is how you can make the problem worse. At the moment it's entirely treatable if people take caution (e.g. stay home if you're sick, cover your mouth when you sneeze, wash your hands). But it people start believing it's not serious, that's when people start dying.
Hope you're completely recovered soon, Smurf.Well I have flu. Not sure if it's Swine or some other type but I've been through all the usual flu symptoms over the past few days.
I've stayed home to avoid spreading it around but didn't go to a doctor (probably should have...) so I'll never know if it was swine flu or not. Damn horrible whatever it was though.
Thankfully it's now getting better.
As Timmy has suggested, you need to back up your claims with some evidence.
Thank you for your advice. However, I shall continue to treat swine flu as I see appropriate, and so far that is that it's a strain of influenza which is no worse than the ordinary Influenza which afflicts thousands every year.
As I said, I can't post links, because my account is not enabled to do so.
The WHO has additional information. Once again, I can't link directly, if I try the forums reject my post. However if you go to the WHO website (who dot int) and click on the latest update,
The only basis you could possibly have for saying the WHO figures are even remotely in the ball park is that the virus is not very contagious at all ... right?
What a ridiculous figure... Again, rubbish figures... Stop parroting garbage figures and think.
The actual basis is that the WHO figures are Confirmed Cases, which is why I mentioned that explicitly, whereas the CDC uses projections.
Those are figures from the WHO. If they're garbage then you should contact them immediately and let them know.
PS: are you the local ITG?
What's ITG?
The WHO is big and ugly enough to find out the facts for themselves.
Internet Tough Guy. All bluster, no substance.
National case update 10/7/09
At noon today Australia has 7933 confirmed cases of Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus, an increase of 643 cases since noon yesterday. The total number of Australian deaths associated with Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 is currently eighteen, with eleven reported in Victoria, one in Western Australia, one in South Australia, one in Northern Territory, one in Tasmania and three in New South Wales.
The national breakdown of cases is: ACT 309, NSW 1858, NT 484, Qld 1776, SA 860, Tas 137, Vic 2067, WA 442.
Hospitalisations
There are currently 111 people in hospital around Australia with Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 and 30 of these are in Intensive Care Units.
ICU admissions: Of the 30 people currently in Intensive Care Units, 6 of these are in NSW, 16 in Victoria, 6 in Queensland, 1 in South Australia and 1 in Western Australia.
The total number of hospitalisations in Australia since Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 was identified is 853.
http://www.healthemergency.gov.au/in...s-12july09.htm
http://www.smh.com.au/national/swine-flu-warning-as-deaths-increase-20090713-diti.htmlHEALTH experts fear the state's swine flu death toll could soar with six young, healthy people in Sydney fighting for their lives on last-resort cardiac bypass machines because their lungs are too damaged or diseased for regular mechanical ventilation.
The surge in the number of people with swine flu needing life-saving treatment has forced NSW Health to consider closing elective surgery at some big hospitals to allow staff to redirect resources.
But that is exactly the point that Julia and I have tried to make all along.Just a thought on the back of that news... I guess when we talk about comparisons with the massive death toll from the Spanish flu back in the 20's and smugly consider ourselves not in any danger at all with this one......
Or, to put it another way, if you went back in a time machine and dropped today's version of swine flu onto the unsuspecting '20's population instead of the "Spanish flu" would today's swine flu variant end up causing as many fatalities as what the "Spanish" version actually ended up causing?
aj
Parents in Britain have been urged not to panic after swine flu apparently claimed the life of a fit six-year-old girl.
Chloe Buckley, from west London - who would have been seven on Friday - was described as "perfectly healthy" in the days before she started feeling ill.
She saw her doctor last Wednesday, complained of flu-like symptoms and died the following day.
Speaking after news of Chloe's death, Simon Tanner, regional director of public health for London, said: "The Health Protection Agency is now seeing large numbers of people with the virus. This will probably not be the last death."
Nearly 10,000 Britons have been confirmed as suffering from swine flu but hundreds of thousands more are feared to have the virus.
The British Government has given warning that the number of cases could rise to 100,000 a day by the end of next month and eventually affect one in two people.
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