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Superannuation, the ultimate government cash cow?

Discussion in 'Business, Investment and Economics' started by drsmith, Apr 20, 2012.

  1. sptrawler

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    The Hayne recommendations, should rationalise the super industry somewhat, I hope they all get enacted.
     
  2. MarketMatters

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    Yes I recall something like 70% of wages paid as a tax free annuity, for life, for politicians? When can we vote on that one?!
     
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    Yes but Billy and Chris don't see that as a ridiculous burden on the taxpayer, just those who save to be self funded, maggots. IMO
     
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    The mob you vote for cut penalty rates
    Welcome to their world Homer
     
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  5. Humid

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    Self funded my ass whose paying your franking credit return lol
     
  6. sptrawler

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    Firstly the Company is paying the tax on my dividend, so they are paying my franking credit. I'm still a part owner of the company, it is just that the Government wants to keep that tax, rather than refund it to me.
    That's only a part, i still had to save my hard earned, to buy the shares in the first place.
    I could have pi$$ed it against the wall, or bought a V8 ute, like the bogans who will get a taxpayer funded pension.
    The only upside is, the next Billy changes will affect you.lol
     
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  7. Humid

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    Welfare for the wealthy set up by Howard’s through boom times
    To lose 10k you have half a million $ in shares
     
  8. sptrawler

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    I'll put it in a way you may be able to understand.
    How about the Companies pay the dividend, in pretax dollars, and leave the tax liability to the taxpayer? Just as small business does.
    This where it becomes out of step, if a super pension is a tax free vehicle, the tax is theirs.
    If labor want to change it, they should change the status of the super pension, then it is done correctly. Just my opinion.
     
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    I've wondered that myself. I guess it means the value of your shares would go down by the gross amount when it hits XD which would hit the portfolio a bit ?
     
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    The big issue is, would you risk capital for 5% dividend, when you can get 3% interest without risking capital?
    Then when the capital drops, pick up part aged pension, most I know around my pay grade are opting for that. If this bounce continues and the Banks recover, many will be off loading. IMO
    It saves the retiree from having to worry about investment, shonky managers etc, Just have a constant income, untill centrelink kicks in.
    All silly Billy has done, is show everyone, how shaky putting money into super is.
     
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    I think you are missing the point completely, otherwise you are classing yourself as wealthy.

    The wealthy don't lose any of the franking credit, if they are on the top tax bracket and have two million shares in CBA, they get their tax reduced by a massive amount.
    The only people who will lose out, are those that have low incomes and those who live on a superannuation income. This was reduced to a maximum of $1.6m last year, and since then the shares are down 20%.
    The super rich that have a lot in accumulation, still can use the franking credits.
    Labor's figures, were worked out before the $1.6m cap was introduced, so the figures will be way out.
    Also if workers, who have bought shares in the lowest income earners name have any sense, they will do an off market transfer to the workers name if the changes are enforced.
    It will just end up another Labor brain fart, that self implodes or backfires. IMO
    Time will tell.
    As I said earlier, they would have been much smarter to introduce tax scales to superannuation pensions, much easier to adjust and tailor to the economics of the day. Therefore better for the Country.
    But that isn't the prime reason behind the changes. IMO
    Just my opinion.
     
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    Gee, might as well bring back RBL's in super whilst we're at it ! Bill can't have it both ways - people trying to self fund for retirement yet disincentive them in ways to build it. End of the day it's all about more revenue!!
     
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    That will be the next step, RBL's will have to be re introduced.
    IMO at the end of the day, it is to force people into industry funds, then use the super for infrastructure, with fixed rate of return.
     
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    How is this a bad thing?
     
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    It isn't, it will just be different, to what people expect.
     
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    Agreed, :) was just trying to clarify your opinion.
     
  18. Humid

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    Yeah right
    Tell me a bit more about myself and my financial position
     
  19. sptrawler

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    I know nothing about you, or your financial position and I said nothing about you and your financial position.
     
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