Resisting Climate Hysteria

explod said:

In my view we are at a point where climate change is accellerating to the point where by there is little point in this thread anymore. We have passed the two degrees up that we should not have passed and really noone givs a rats. As an old sociologist friend told me in 1995, 'just party, you cannot change human nature, they will only see what the can understand and want to.

Wayne ole Pal, as the eldest of eight grew up in very tough circumstances, Dad a returned w2 victim/serviceman, we lived outback, no phone electricity, miles from medical services. Dad drunk most of the time so i tried to hold it together for Mother. Left school barely literate to fend for them. At 17 when younger siblings could handle it went shearing and learnt about unionism and looking out for your fellows. Joined police force to give my wife a better life. Did well because i understood and related to people. Became a councillor and Mayor in one town I served. On promotion took charge of large police stations with problems and fixed them. At research and development was part of the team that developed neighbourhood watch and safety house, later adopted world wide. I alone developed the procedures protecting women with safe houses. Went to university where i excelked and could go on. And for the record, greens are not commo or left wing we just seek a fair go for everyone.

What about you Wayne ole Pal

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explod said:

Thanks trainspotter.

Reminded me to check on what Waynes contribution to social welfare has been.

Interesting your post just now as this afternoon have been thinking about human survival in a planet turning into a hot desert. Exploring hot houses which are fairly self sustaining for water. Just moved to Bendigo where I'm linking with some like minds working on just this. Of course old mine shafts could be reinforced and adapted for habitation during the day etc.

Think about a thread or perhaps my gobbledygook could suffice. Clap hands here deniers

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Coober Pedy underground homes are not what you expect. The idea of living underground usually triggers thoughts of dark, damp and cramped spaces.

It doesn't help that those underground homes are called "dugouts" in Coober Pedy... Or that people are told that they are abandoned mine shafts...

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explod said:

Thanks trainspotter.

Reminded me to check on what Waynes contribution to social welfare has been.

Interesting your post just now as this afternoon have been thinking about human survival in a planet turning into a hot desert. Exploring hot houses which are fairly self sustaining for water. Just moved to Bendigo where I'm linking with some like minds working on just this. Of course old mine shafts could be reinforced and adapted for habitation during the day etc.

Think about a thread or perhaps my gobbledygook could suffice. Clap hands here deniers

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explod said:

In my view we are at a point where climate change is accellerating to the point where by there is little point in this thread anymore. We have passed the two degrees up that we should not have passed and really noone givs a rats. As an old sociologist friend told me in 1995, 'just party, you cannot change human nature, they will only see what the can understand and want to.

Wayne ole Pal, as the eldest of eight grew up in very tough circumstances, Dad a returned w2 victim/serviceman, we lived outback, no phone electricity, miles from medical services. Dad drunk most of the time so i tried to hold it together for Mother. Left school barely literate to fend for them. At 17 when younger siblings could handle it went shearing and learnt about unionism and looking out for your fellows. Joined police force to give my wife a better life. Did well because i understood and related to people. Became a councillor and Mayor in one town I served. On promotion took charge of large police stations with problems and fixed them. At research and development was part of the team that developed neighbourhood watch and safety house, later adopted world wide. I alone developed the procedures protecting women with safe houses. Went to university where i excelked and could go on. And for the record, greens are not commo or left wing we just seek a fair go for everyone.

What about you Wayne ole Pal

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explod said:

Noco, what a load of wild speculative crap

The past is no measure of the future and it is well established that people who who can think for themselves and dare to question the status quo are branded commos and the like. Parliamentarians used to be able to speak their minds and be creative.

And, you think by planting a name it is felt that an argument is won, rubbish ole Pal. Substance with action is the only hope. Still have not told me where the jobs are coming from.

Go back to your Masonic cave Champ and plan a root for survival. Things are going to change in a big way soon and it will not be good for any of us, unfortunately.

And would like point form as to why I am a communist

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noco said:

Bloody hell, you are clutching at straws now Plod....You stated the Greens were no commos and I gave you an example and you did not like it so you revert to the old Fabian style for an answer.
Do some more research on the Greens before you open your mouth.....Don't forget Julia Gillard was a self confessed Communist.

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explod said:

... it is well established that people who who can think for themselves and dare to question the status quo are branded commos...

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Russian production of oil and gas condensate increased to an average of 10.83 million barrels per day in December, compared with 10.78 million barrels per day in November, the ministry reported. For all of 2015, output was up to 10.73 million barrels today, compared with average 2014 production levels of 10.58 million barrels per day.

Many observers had expected Russia to reduce energy production during the past year to help rally prices in the midst of its current economic problems. For one thing, Moscow’s budget has been strained because oil revenues account for about 40 percent of its revenue.

And the country’s economy as a whole has been hurt by sanctions imposed by the United States and the European Union because of Moscow’s long involvement in the conflict in neighboring Ukraine. These sanctions have deprived Russia of the Western financing and technology it needs to streamline energy extraction.

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According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), in 2012 over 64% of world oil production came from the top ten countries: Russia 544 Mt (13%), Saudi Arabia 520 Mt (13%), United States 387 Mt (9%), China 206 Mt (5%), Iran 186 Mt (4%), Canada 182 Mt (4%), United Arab Emirates 163 Mt (4%), Venezuela 162 Mt (4%), Kuwait 152 Mt (4%) and Iraq 148 Mt (4%). Total oil production was 4,142 Mt, up 3% from 4,011 Mt the previous year

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explod said:

What is the meaning of a communist in Australia today?

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wayneL said:

Actually no, they are branded deniers... as you so disgracefully keep using.

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explod said:

Yeh, just to get under your skirt ole Pal.

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wayneL said:

Hanson further damages his credibility.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/20...yptic-sea-level-study-lands-to-mixed-reviews/

At each public utterance, I am more and more vindicated basilio.

<ETA> Curry's assessment https://judithcurry.com/2015/07/26/hansens-backfire/

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Policy relevance

The policy relevance of the Hansen et al. paper is the articulation of a possible worst case scenario of sea level rise. In robust decision making, the plausible worst case scenario informs decision making but does not necessarily dominate the decision making process.

What role does a ‘possible’ worst case scenario play, apart from clarifying what is plausible? Well, to alarm people and to help build political will to ‘act’ on emissions reductions, particularly for forthcoming Paris COP.

JC reflections

That said, I am very sympathetic to what Hansen did. I regard him as a fellow maverick – thinking for himself and not afraid to challenge the ‘consensus’ – Hansen and I are of course on opposite ends of the climate maverick spectrum, with Hansen more alarmed and myself being less alarmed.

I think what Hansen did raises a whole host of very important issues about climate research, the science-policy interface, and how research is publicized. I will be addressing these issues in a follow-on post (which should be up Mon or Tues).

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For other scientists, that is beside the point. While media reports have focused on the worst case scenario – emphasised by Hansen – the paper itself is more nuanced.

Valerie Masson-Delmotte, one of the co-authors, told Climate Home: “For me, the most interesting part is not this sort of alarmist presentation, what is interesting is this is addressing a key unknown. It is the part that is related to the interplay between the ice sheets and the oceans.”

It points to where further data is needed to narrow down the range of predictions for the future. There is consensus that Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets are melting and causing oceans to rise. But how fast? That is the big question for millions of people living in coastal areas.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will consider the study among others in its next report, said Masson-Delmotte, appointed to the UN body’s expert bureau last Autumn.

In fact, Hansen and colleagues do not predict huge sea level rise as such. They assume it is possible the polar ice sheets could disintegrate rapidly, then model the implications.

“The paper is highly hypothetical… it is an interesting thought experiment,” said glaciologist Ruth Mottram. “I don’t think it is very likely, but we shouldn’t dismiss it.”

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wayneL said:

That's very big of you Plod.

Is this infantilism of yours old age related, or a life-long affliction?

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