Knobby22
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Instead of wasting bandwidth in a pissing contest why not post some relevance to the topic of the thread?
http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...mate-predictions/story-e6frfku9-1226844241944
Instead of wasting bandwidth in a pissing contest why not post some relevance to the topic of the thread?
Thankyou for your feedback T.S.
The alarmists appear to have been very appreciative of your input on this matter.
Given basilio's reluctance, would you care to stand in as champion by addressing my assertions regarding our increased respiratory CO2 needs?
Yes Co2 (or too much thereof) does increase the respiratory rate. That is a given. The body requires oxygen (another given) A person's breathing rate influences the level of CO2 in their blood. (givens everywhere today)
Need I go on or do you wish to champion this worthless cause further than it needs to go?
Again, thanks for your feedback but that hasn't addressed my assertion regarding the increased population of humans and their livestock as being reasonably able to not only account, but indeed demand, an increased atmospheric presence of CO2 in circulation within our ecosystem.
... Your point is what again cynic?
Are you suggesting that by culling the livestock and human population would be one way of reducing the amount of Co2 gas being exuded into the atmosphere?
As you say in your own words ... your assertion ... have you any scientific proof to back up your affirmation? Still surprised by your appetition to be drawn into such an eristic parley?
Logically as humans and livestock increase in numbers so would their Co2 expulsion into the atmosphere. My understanding is that humans exhale somewhere between 700 - 900 grams (depending on diet, exercise, location, maturity etc) per day. Ipso facto, more humans breathing would also require more oxygen to be consumed.
Your point is what again cynic?
Are you suggesting that by culling the livestock and human population would be one way of reducing the amount of Co2 gas being exuded into the atmosphere?
I was attempting to highlight the opposite scenario. By artificially reducing the atmospheric presence of CO2 the human populace may be sabotaging its very own ecosystem!
Wanna put your thesis on the table in point form?
From an energy security perspective, both globally and in the Australian context, by far the biggest problem is oil. Gas comes next, with coal (especially brown coal) being far less of an issue.And finally? You raised the point. I concur. Australia needs to move to a renewable energy system for long term energy security in itself. A system that puts a higher price on carbon based energy will encourage that movement. Otherwise we will have to wait until energy prices become so high - that......
If I were making the decisions then I'd be focusing very heavily on transport fuels along with a longer term plan to phase out gas-fired power. Put freight onto rail, electric where practical, focus on fuel efficient passenger vehicles and the use of natural gas in transport, and stop the construction of new gas-fired power stations except in locations where there aren't any practical alternatives at present. Get electricity from renewables and coal, divert gas into transport and address the increasingly precarious oil supply situation.
Lomborg's attitude toward risk is also troubling. He focuses only on the middle range of the panel's projections, dismissing the risk from the higher end of the range. But if the risk is great, then it may be worth acting against even if its probability is small. Think of risk as the product of consequences and likelihood: what can happen and the odds of it happening. A 10-degree rise in global temperatures by 2100 is not likely; the panel gives it a 3 percent probability. Such low-probability, high-impact risks are routinely factored into any analysis and management strategy, whether on Wall Street or at the Pentagon.
The rationale for reducing emissions of carbon dioxide is to reduce the risk of the possibility of catastrophic outcomes. Making the transition to cleaner fuels has the added benefit of reducing the impact on public health and ecosystems and improving energy security -- providing benefits even if the risk is eventually reduced.
Always find it useful to discover intelligent analysis from people one might regard as climate skeptics.
Turns out Judith Curry has been well aware of the basic issues around climate change for many years.
In 2007 she analyzed Bjorn Lomborg work and made the following points. (among others)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/10/AR2007101002157.html
IMO basilio, what the problem is, everyone agrees there is a problem with global warming.
One side wants us to lose our standard of living, become a third world economy and become martyrs.
The other side want a global solution, that's effective.
I'm supprised the Labor/ Greens aren't jumping up and down, a lot of carbon intensive industries are shutting up shop in Australia.
They should be rejoicing, all we need now is the 'clean energy jobs' Labor/ Greens were promising, to kick in.lol
Absolute Dicks.
Once it is accepted globaly, that a catastophe is inevitable a global solution will be formulated.
Untill then, you can flog yourself as much as you want, it will make no difference what so ever.
Appart from hurting your back.
Let's get real there's not going to be a global solution. We are going to have learn to live with climate change.
Actually, I think not, there is a push toward reducing dependence on fossil fuel.
The uptake on home solar, has deferred the requirement for new base load power stations.
This of course is a short term hit, as the industrial 24/7 load picks up, the overnight load increases and the home solar effect decreases.
At this point in our evolution, I think there needs to be a big push toward nuclear power generation, obviously with safety as a major concern.
However at this point, nuclear is the only low polluting, high energy density fuel, suitable for base load power generation.
That is unless you have major sources of hydro generation available.
I see the next big step being, houses wired for low voltage.
There is no real reason, other than air conditioners, for houses to be supplied with 250v.
With the advent of high efficiency led lighting, soft start energy efficient 12v fridges, 12v led/lcd t.v's.
The only high current device that requires mains voltage(in a house) is the a/c and maybe a bore pump.
I would say the electricity supply companies are $hitting themselves. Only my humble opinion.lol
I think new technology will help at the margins but not without Governments coercing people to use it with carrots and sticks (which was partly the purpose of the carbon tax you hate so much).
To reduce carbon enough to make a serious dent in global warming you'd be looking at very aggressive regulation from countries around the world which would result in lowered living standards. That's not going to happen.
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