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If there is clear and conclusive evidence of God, show it.
First define what evidence you would consider acceptable?If there is clear and conclusive evidence of God, show it.
That is no more attributable to God than to the 'Magic White Dolphin.'Would a scientifically inexplicable phenomenon do?
That is no more attributable to God than to the 'Magic White Dolphin.'
Further just because science cannot explain something, yet, does not establish the Mega Amoeba in the sky or any other thing you want to invent and say it must be that.
What would be acceptable evidence would be if God appeared and said yep I did it, I created the world and you are all a result of my demented art and did few more things to prove it irrefutably.
How did our universe come into being? Was it imagined also?Nothing has been invented, they are all equally invalid and imagined.
If there is clear and conclusive evidence of God, show it.
When did it come into being exactly? Your assuming it started somehow or at some point. You have no valid basis or evidence for such an erroneous presumption, another untenable imagining.How did our universe come into being? Was it imagined also?
That is not evidence establishing the 'Magic White Dolphin' or any other idea or thing to believe in like the 'All Omnipotent Golden Rooster' or 'God.'It's all around you. Life, the Universe, everything. It didn't all come from nothing.
Please do me the courtesy of not presuming to know what I may or may not have been assuming!When did it come into being exactly? Your assuming it started somehow or at some point. You have no valid basis or evidence for such an erroneous presumption, another untenable imagining.
It is evidence of an extroardinary mystery! Namely the mystery of existence!That is not evidence establishing the 'Magic White Dolphin' or any other idea or thing to believe in like the 'All Potent Golden Rooster' or 'God.'
Read it a few times over the answer is clear. There's nothing more for you if you can't understand even that much.....Please do me the courtesy of not presuming to know what I may or may not have been assuming!
Rather than falsely pretending to know my mind, how about just answering the questions that I posed so that I can understand where you are coming from?
Well then we can agree that it is not evidence of God. Evidence of a mystery that is yet to be fully apprehended by many?It is evidence of an extroardinary mystery! Namely the mystery of existence!
If it is evidence of an inexplicable mystery, how can we conclude that it isn't evidence of the existence of an inexplicable creative force? Isn't that what people mean when they talk about god?Well then we can agree that it is not evidence of God. Evidence of a mystery that is yet to be fully apprehended by many? Well OK, sure. Well said.
The fact that it remains unproven.If the bogey man exists then, yes!
Why take unnecessary risks, VC?
Why are you so determined to assert the non existence of god?
What is it about the god concept, that makes you so determined to refute and ridicule theism and theists alike?
If your system of disbelief is so superior, why the insecurity? Why do you need to be constantly on the attack?
No we agreed on a mystery that remains for many.If it is evidence of an inexplicable mystery, how can we conclude that it isn't evidence of the existence of an inexplicable creative force? Isn't that what people mean when they talk about god?
Okay then. So do you spend this much time protesting against beliefs in other factually unproven concepts?The fact that it remains unproven.
Grah33, in your experience have you encountered many people whom insist on all manner of evidence, despite the fact that their demeanour, clearly indicates that no amount of evidence, no matter how compelling, will ever truly satisfy them?
Have you noticed that, in this game which VC is inviting you to play, on his (undisclosed) terms, he hasn't even extended you the courtesy of informing you about the location of the goal posts?
What is to stop him reinventing the rules, i.e. coming up with new excuses every time you successfully hurdle his most recent objections?
How do you ever expect to score any points, in a game that is clearly designed,from the very outset, to ensure that you don't have a prayer of winning?
It's a good thing that you believe in miracles, because that is exactly what it would take, for you to score any points, in a game where the deck has been so heavily stacked against your favour!
How about you describe this god in whose existence you have chosen to disbelieve so that I can actually understand what it is that you are objecting to?No we agreed on a mystery that remains for many.
Because no evidence would be good enough for them without them arguing that it's a rare but natural phenomena or some sort of magic trick that they don't know how it's done.
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