wayneL
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Sidebar @Smurf1976
I look at the mount of ash generated by coal/coke just in my little one man forge and have always wondered about the logistics of disposing of that in a power station... What do they do with it all?
Plenty of ex Labor members on boards.Nuclear reactors cannot currently be built in Australia under any Federal or State law, and I see no prospect of that changing any time soon.
N.R's built by private companies in Oz are a pipe dream, Labor and the Greens will block it, and you have to ask why any Coalition members would support it, looking for a cosy job on a Board perhaps ?
Used in concrete or as fill as others have said and the rest is dumped as landfill for disposal.Sidebar @Smurf1976
I look at the mount of ash generated by coal/coke just in my little one man forge and have always wondered about the logistics of disposing of that in a power station... What do they do with it all?
Think I have posted here before about the only reason you would go nuclear power to justify the cost and lead time is if you are looking to acquire nuclear weapons.
The problem or one of the problems is enrichment (Australia has no capability or technology) which has a long lead time to develop and is very expensive but if you enrich for weapons then there is plenty of fuel to run power stations.
At some point if China continues to expand its aggression nuclear weapons maybe Australia's only realistic means of defence unless some other Armageddon type weapons turn up.
Ideologically I'm not keen on nuclear weapons.Think I have posted here before about the only reason you would go nuclear power to justify the cost and lead time is if you are looking to acquire nuclear weapons.
Think I have posted here before about the only reason you would go nuclear power to justify the cost and lead time is if you are looking to acquire nuclear weapons.
If one thought the promotional figures of companies promoting their nuclear plans was honest and likely then we would have already built scores of modular reactors and there would be a thriving industry.
Of course they would say they were cheaper than others. The fact is that all other alternatives ct have operational plants and can be costed on real dollars. The nuclear industry figures are vapourware designed to extract multi billion subsidies from governments just to keep them going.
The evidence of the nuclear industry is public, historical and damning. These plants will never be economically competitive with renewable energy plus back up systems. Of course they can be built for very specific military or other installations where, frankly, cost is a secondary issue. But the idea of arguing cost effective baseload domestic power is based on a series of heroic assumptions that have seen spectacular failure.
Tall Corporate stories from Nu Scale.
Corporate spin #2: NuScale Power
US company NuScale Power has put in a submission to the federal nuclear inquiry, estimating a first-of-a-kind cost for its SMR design of US$4.35 billion / gigawatt (GW) and an nth-of-a-kind cost of US$3.6 billion / GW.
NuScale doesn’t provide a $/MWh estimate in its submission, but the company has previously said it is targeting a cost of US$65/MWh for its first SMR plant. That is 2.4 lower than the US$155/MWh (A$225/MWh) estimate based on the NuScale design in a report by WSP / Parsons Brinckerhoff prepared for the SA Nuclear Fuel Cycle Royal Commission.
NuScale’s cost estimates should be regarded as promotional and will continue to drop – unless and until the company actually builds an SMR. The estimated cost of power from NuScale’s non-existent SMRs fell from US$98-$108/MWh in 2015 to US$65/MWh by mid-2018. The company announced with some fanfare in 2018 that it had worked out how to make its SMRs almost 20% cheaper – by making them almost 20% bigger!
Lazard estimates costs of US$112-189/MWh for electricity from large nuclear plants. NuScale’s claim that its electricity will be 2-3 times cheaper than that from large nuclear plants is implausible. And even if NuScale achieved costs of US$65/MWh, that would still be higher than Lazard’s figures for wind power (US$29-56) and utility-scale solar (US$36-46).
Likewise, NuScale’s construction construction cost estimate of US$4.35 billion / GW is implausible. The latest cost estimate for the two AP1000 reactors under construction in the US state of Georgia (the only reactors under construction in the US) is US$12.3-13.6 billion / GW.
NuScale’s target is just one-third of that cost – despite the unavoidable diseconomies of scale and despite the fact that every independent assessment concludes that SMRs will be more expensive to build (per GW) than large reactors.
Further, the modular factory-line production techniques now being championed by NuScale were trialled with the AP1000 reactor project in South Carolina – a project that was abandoned in 2017 after the expenditure of at least US$9 billion.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/big-claims-and-corporate-spin-about-small-nuclear-reactor-costs-65726/
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