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The (nuclear) debate must focus on the facts and not be biased by emotion
Not a single solution to the nuclear waste problem since "the bomb".Happy said:All the hype is just that, we are exposed to millions of years of half time needed to radioactive material to vanish or at least become of minute concentration, well we can atomise it disperse it and voila, problem's gone.
Rafa said:Against....
But I think your question is wrong... 'Nuclear' does not equate to Uranium...
People are still working on Fusion reactors, Thorium reactors (half life of 500 years, no weapon uses)....
rederob said:Not a single solution to the nuclear waste problem since "the bomb".
Not even the yanks have got a clue about what is the best option, except to use depleted uranium in ordnance, especially armour piercing.
If Happy thinks it's all "hype" he should visit Chernobyl and help clean up the problem 'cause he reckons it won't kill him, I'll bet.
Decomissioning nuclear reactors is comparatively cheap, but waste storage is never factored into the equation for nuclear energy costs - because there is no solution (yet)!
That's why the nuclear option stacks up well commercially.
chemist said:Your argument is hysterical.
In fact this whole thread is an example of wrong thinking. The only considerations should be commercial, yet this thread (like people in general) treats it as a political question. Should we have nuclear power? let's have an opinion poll of the uninformed and then the govt can either make nuclear power compulsory or ban it. Should businesses use four cylinder or six cylinder vans for deliveries? let's have an opinion poll of the uninformed and then the govt can either make six cylinder vans compulsory or ban them. Absurd.
cheers,
Chemist
twojacks28 said:my I remind you all that only 80-90 people died as a direct link to the chernobyl disaster. hundreads of people die a year on our roads! we don't make that sound very bad
Other estimates range from several thousand, mostly "liquidators" who have died, to an estimate by Greenpeace Ukraine of 32,000 now dead. Greenpeace derived their figure by examining death rates from illnesses before and after the accident. Their research was solid enough that Yuri Shcherbak, the Ukraine Ambassador to the United States, accepts that estimate in the April 1996 issue of Scientific American.
Economically, the consequences have been staggering. Even conservative estimates, counting direct costs, interdicted land, health costs, and related losses, are at $300 Billion and more.
First, consider that Chernobyl was in a very remote area, 80 miles from Kiev to the south and 80 miles from Gomel to the north. Then consider that Indian Point is only 35 miles from Manhattan; Limerick a similar distance from Philadelphia; Zion even closer to Chicago; Wolf Creek and Callaway in the center of our nation's agricultural heartland. According to the 1982 Sandia National Laboratories CRAC-II report (Calculation of Reactor Accident Consequences), we could expect as much as $300 billion from a meltdown at Indian Point, and far less at most other locations. Fat chance. A meltdown at nearly any U.S. reactor, and at most European ones as well, clearly would reach the Trillion-Dollar range
twojacks28 said:hence the word GREENPEACE. every other report I have read has said that only 80-90 people died as a result of the chernobyl disaster. I did not mention anything about economic problems
Their research was solid enough that Yuri Shcherbak, the Ukraine Ambassador to the United States, accepts that estimate in the April 1996 issue of Scientific American.
Chemistchemist said:Your argument is hysterical.
In fact this whole thread is an example of wrong thinking. The only considerations should be commercial, yet this thread (like people in general) treats it as a political question. Should we have nuclear power? let's have an opinion poll of the uninformed and then the govt can either make nuclear power compulsory or ban it. Should businesses use four cylinder or six cylinder vans for deliveries? let's have an opinion poll of the uninformed and then the govt can either make six cylinder vans compulsory or ban them. Absurd.
cheers,
Chemist
twojacks28 said:so what if one person believes there crap. there are many other reports which state otherways. greenpeace always pump up the numbers on everything to make it sound worse. I saw a report on chernobyl a few weeks ago and they said the deaths from the accident were 90,000. the number seem to grow by every report.
30 killed immediately
15,000 relief workers killed
50,000 relief workers invalid
5 million exposed to radiation
52,000 fled the area around Chernobyl
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