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Israel Folau - Breach of contract or right to free speech?

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I agree with the result.
She was in the public service and it was her job to maintain a distance.
Some of the people arguing that what happened to her is unfair and yet somehow it is fair enough for Folau to be sacked.
In my view, Folau case is much less serious than Banerji's and politicians acting for us need to be protected from people like her.
 
This will be good. Members of the Govt who criticise the Govt can be sacked.

Last time I checked, everyone in parliament are in the public service :D
 
PZ99 said:
This will be good. Members of the Govt who criticise the Govt can be sacked.

Last time I checked, everyone in parliament are in the public service :D
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Some are employed, some are elected, most do very little except criticise each other from my experience.
 
Knobby22 said:
She was in the public service and it was her job to maintain a distance.
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This goes beyond the public service.

Now every employer will be able to control what their employees say on or off the job.

There is no right to free speech that powerful organisations can't subjugate.

A truly awful decision in a "free" country in my opinion.
 
Sadly, that's what you get when I/R laws are allowed to drift to the right of the political spectrum.

In the 20th century you were employed by your boss - in the 21st, you are owned.

It'll get worse until Australia is the same as the USA. Then watch the poverty stats :)
 
SirRumpole said:
This goes beyond the public service.

Now every employer will be able to control what their employees say on or off the job.

There is no right to free speech that powerful organisations can't subjugate.

A truly awful decision in a "free" country in my opinion.
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You are drawing a long bow.
The job of a public servant is quite different to working in the private sector however if you were undermining your employer secretly then it would by the employers right to sack you.
 
Knobby22 said:
You are drawing a long bow.
The job of a public servant is quite different to working in the private sector however if you were undermining your employer secretly then it would by the employers right to sack you.
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The idea that one individual can undermine a huge organisation is preposterous.

The idea that the public service thinks with one mind is also preposterous. They all have their own opinions which feed into the advice they give whether they express those opinions publicly or not.
 
Maybe the lady in question, would have been better to have asked for a transfer from her position, if she disagreed with her departments policy.
To get on a public stage and criticise the enforcement of that departments policy, is a bit different from Folau saying homosexuals, thieves and others will go to hell.
If Folau had said something about the way Rugby Australia is run, well maybe he would be in trouble and depending how bad it was maybe sackable. But he didn't say anything about Rugby Australia.
So how the comparison can be drawn is a bit beyond me, but no doubt people will try, hopefully the obvious prejudice against him isn't as bad as it appears.;)
 
moXJO said:
Bet he was crying over Adam Goodes as well. Fitzy was always a wanker.
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Yes, I knew nothing about him until this Israel Folau issue, but I have to agree with you.
I mean whether you you agree with what Folau said or not, to make a statement like he did about him on National T.V, is really dumb and just shows how little he looks at his own behaviour.
While openly commenting on others.
If he has always had that sort of attitude, I certainly wouldn't want him in my corner, shows an absolute lack of class.
 
sptrawler said:
Maybe the lady in question, would have been better to have asked for a transfer from her position, if she disagreed with her departments policy.
To get on a public stage and criticise the enforcement of that departments policy, is a bit different from Folau saying homosexuals, thieves and others will go to hell.
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Does the Public Service make policy ?

I was under the impression that policy was the job of politicians, the PS give advice on how to carry out the policy.

So really, the people who are protected by the Public Service Code of Silence are the politicians who we all can vote for and we should be able to criticise.
 
SirRumpole said:
Does the Public Service make policy ?

I was under the impression that policy was the job of politicians, the PS give advice on how to carry out the policy.

So really, the people who are protected by the Public Service Code of Silence are the politicians who we all can vote for and we should be able to criticise.
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Aren't we talking about someone who works for a department of the public service? not someone who makes policy.
I was making a comment that if the Lady in question had some sort of moral issue with carrying out her function in that department, it would seem sensible to request a transfer to another department, where her emotional and or moral compass wasn't compromised.
A bit like working in a butcher shop all week, then going out with the vegans to protest on the weekend, carrying a placard denouncing the butcher shop you work for. IMO
I wouldn't think the butcher would be too happy if he found out.:D
 
sptrawler said:
I wouldn't think the butcher would be too happy if he found out.:D
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Maybe not, but if the person was still doing a good job, why sack them ?

I'm sure the PS would like the person to move on, then they could just dismiss what they say, but some people's conscience needs them to stay around and try and make things better (not saying this was the case recently, but it does happen).
 
SirRumpole said:
Maybe not, but if the person was still doing a good job, why sack them ?

I'm sure the PS would like the person to move on, then they could just dismiss what they say, but some people's conscience needs them to stay around and try and make things better (not saying this was the case recently, but it does happen).
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Absolutely, but if it is affecting the persons ability to function well in the job, be that emotionally or physically, it would seem obvious to offer the person a transfer the public service is a big employer.
If the person is openly being obstructionist in carrying out their function and refuses a transfer, then it becomes very difficult to find common ground.
If dismissal is unfair or disproportionately severe, then the person has the ability to challenge that, as the Lady did.
The decision was upheld, one can only assume the hearing was fair and took all aspects into consideration.

The other thing is, when you say some people just want to stay around and make things better, you are assuming that the person's perception of how things should be done, is a correct one.
 

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