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Israel Folau - Breach of contract or right to free speech?

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RA might first get their own house in order.
Rugby Australia Boss Raelene Castle Under Fire for Israel Folau Saga
https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby...a/news-story/3811b49e5cf7e1d3806ea19482297693
...However, the wheels are reportedly close to falling off....
...In a World Cup year where less test matches are played on home soil, Rugby Australia is bracing for an $8 million financial deficit this year — which could total a loss of $12 million if Folau is paid out his contract in full.
A full $12 million hit would leave RA “on the precipice of insolvency,” according to The Daily Telegraph’s Pandaram...
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If this thread sends one message it's this: the Conservative Right should never push the agenda for a return of Workchoices or any other form of de-regulated workplace reform.

Because under those polices - employees could be, and were, sacked for the sake of nothing :)
 
PZ99 said:
If this thread sends one message it's this: the Conservative Right should never push the agenda for a return of Workchoices or any other form of de-regulated workplace reform.

Because under those polices - employees could be, and were, sacked for the sake of nothing :)
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What, you mean just like us in Small-business?

We can be summarily fired for no reason whatsoever. I guess luckily, at least in my case, my employers are fairly diversified, around 65 of them. :p
 
PZ99 said:
If this thread sends one message it's this: the Conservative Right should never push the agenda for a return of Workchoices or any other form of de-regulated workplace reform.

Because under those polices - employees could be, and were, sacked for the sake of nothing :)
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Actually from what I've read, as long as you sign a contract, there is plenty on here reckon you can be sacked for anything. Also they aren't the Conservative Right members.:roflmao:
 
Yeah but.... no one here wants workchoices back do they ? LOL

The irony is... it was only today the business community pushed to make it easier to fire workers.

Maybe Folau should've joined a real "union" :p
 
PZ99 said:
Yeah but.... no one here wants workchoices back do they ? LOL

The irony is... it was only today the business community pushed to make it easier to fire workers.

Maybe Folau should've joined a real "union" :p
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Well considering Howard introduced it in 2006 and he was chucked out over it in 2007, I can't see any reason it would be resurected.
I hope they don't bring back putting children down mines and the 40 hour week, but i'm not going to keep bringing it up, every couple of months.;)
 
The way things are heading, it might be pensioners going down the mines...

We have little else to offer; maybe that was the hell we're supposed to avoid by repenting :cool:
 
In response to the comments from PZ99 and MoXJO - WorkChoices always looked like a political suicide note to me. Hubris from a right of centre government. Not all Trade Unions are renegades! (yes that's me saying it)

Political influence, look at the demographic bell curve. Which group has the numbers? Deeming rate under review, that's a good start.
 
Macquack said:
This is for the Victorians, South Australians and Western Australians - Rugby League is not the same game as Rugby Union.
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Hehehe. Indeed, as a league fan I'm taken aback by way union now calls themselves Rugby Australia (RA) - old name ARU was less controversial and avoided confusion with the more popular format in Aus.
 
Looks like Australia is embroiled in another code of conduct issue.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07...world-championships/11334782?section=analysis

Mack Horton is making a stand for what he believes in, but from what I can gather the Chinese swimmer Sun Yang, hasn't been found guilty of drug use yet.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/mack-h...onal-swimming-federation-20190722-p529ok.html

Funnily enough, some of the people who said Folau should keep his beliefs and opinions to himself, are now saying Horton did the right thing.
It's a complicated life, being these paragons of virtue. :D
They will be kept very busy, adjudicating on all these moral issues.
 
It gets even more complicated for them if they compare Folau with Yassmin Abdel-Magied.

Two nearly identical cases of bad comments online met with vastly different reactions from radio shock jocks and God botherers :)
 
It was more a legal issue with Folau.
And media was against him.
Yassmin had media onside apart from shock jocks.

It was funny that they had the Goodes doco on about how we need to do better with poc. And then turn around and do a similar thing to Folau.

Folau was and is hounded by some of the biggest "whitey" reporters in Australia for his opinion. His words were twisted to suit the agenda.
Fair enough. Media and news in this country has turned to dribble.

But getting forced out of his job for it.
Demonized for trying to exercise his rights.
Thats where the cases differ. Folau stuck around to fight. The others ran off under the weight of conviction.
 
A very good article.

The price of getting a job
The terms of employment contracts — millions of them — are all remarkably similar. Although they are signed by individuals, there is nothing individual about them because signing an employment contract is the price of getting a job. Their terms heavily favour the interests of the employer.

It is now routine for employment contracts to require all employees abide by all workplace policies, company codes of conduct and company "values". The employee signs the contract without even having seen any of these documents or obligations, which are unilaterally promulgated by their employer.

The contracts require employees to adhere to similar values — typically couched in admirable language about integrity, decency, inclusiveness and respect. But they also seek to regulate employee behaviour, both at work and after hours. In this era of gig work and Instagram, we have become unwitting brand ambassadors for our employers on a 24/7 basis.

If we say or do something controversial after hours, and it's disseminated online, we can be fired.

Were noted controversialist Jesus Christ alive today, he would be unemployable.

While companies proudly trumpet their values, there's another standard clause in their contracts advising that while the policies, codes and values are binding on the employee, they do not bind the company. These provisions ensure there are no consequences for the company for breaching these obligations. The asymmetry is a stark expression of the employer's absolute power.

While the culture war over Folau raises difficult issues about how to reconcile freedom of religious expression with the rights of the LGBTI community to live free from harassment and homophobia, the court case will not resolve the debate.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-07/israel-folau-should-be-able-to-go-back-to-work/11386826
 
SirRumpole said:
A very good article.
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Basically say's what we have been saying Rumpy, all employers have to do is write a broad far reaching code of conduct, then they can sack anyone for any misdemeanour at work or at home.
What I can't understand is people cheering it on, weird IMO, because it seems to be the ones cheering are the ones you would least expect to. You know those warm, fuzzy, holier than thou, do the right thing by people ones.:roflmao:
 
sptrawler said:
Basically say's what we have been saying Rumpy, all employers have to do is write a broad far reaching code of conduct, then they can sack anyone for any misdemeanour at work or at home.
What I can't understand is people cheering it on, weird IMO, because it seems to be the ones cheering are the ones you would least expect to. You know those warm, fuzzy, holier than thou, do the right thing by people ones.:roflmao:
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I think it's mainly the gay lobby doing the cheering and the Lefty SJW's are going along with it. :rolleyes:
 

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