Immunisation, right or wrong?

[Julia]

I've also had it as an adult despite being vaccinated as a child. Just completely debilitating and exhausting.
I cannot understand people who refuse to have their children vaccinated.

 

[qldfrog]

I am afraid this is just the result of a dummerisation of western society, collapse of education/culture on the mainstream replaced by rubbish such as reality shows and people caring more about the kardashians (had to google it... )
than their actual live, look at the US....
so easy to read the latest tweets and not even think about what TB, polio can mean...
Most of these people live in their golden suburbs cages, and have a rude shock when reaity hits whether it will come from TB brought by a pakistani visitor, a bomb blown in a sydney street by islamist fanatic who resent miniskirts, or a violent rape/aggression by someone who did not share the golden youth.
No surprise the ADF has some issues with returning soldiers after a stint in Irak or Afghanistan.
It must be an incredible shock but as the nanny country does not want people (alias voters/consumers0 to think, I do not expect much changes
I have to have a pool fence around my pool while I have three dams and a river thru my block, but dumwits can send their children to my son's school not immunised....
I really pity the few who can not genuinely be immunised (allergic reaction is what i have in mind) and will so die as the group protection disappears.
maybe we should advertise these deaths on national TV, between MKR shows...
end of my rant.

 

[Okiishi]

Right. Without a doubt. Parents who refuse to immunise their kids are as bad as climate change skeptics.

 

[matty77]

At least there is scientific proof about immunization, I am still waiting for solid scientific proof about [SUB]global warming[/SUB] edit that climate change (since they don't say global warning anymore since its actually cooling down the last few years)

 

[Ladybyrd]

Had whooping cough myself in my late 30s. Felt like someone was sitting on my chest and couldnt get a real lungful of air and would 'whoop' to breath after a coughing fit. So debilitating and remember being thankful that i could at least gag and slag some of it out (sometimes vomitting). I felt incredibly sad knowing a baby couldnt do that. Went on for weeks.
I would recommend immunizing. Highly.

I agree! My daughter was 13 and I was in my 40's. We had both been immunised when we developed whooping cough. We both felt like we were going to suffocate and yet we had a much milder case because we had some resistance. To see a little baby who doesn't understand struggling for every breath just rips your heart out.

 

[sptrawler]

It is good to see Kev isn't the only one who can do back flips.lol
Bob Brown might be getting long in the tooth, but shows he is just as athletic as Kev.

http://www.medicalobserver.com.au/news/bob-brown-distances-himself-from-avn

Extract

“It is true that in the 1990s I endorsed the right of true conscientious objectors against compulsory vaccination”, Bob Brown writes. “However, my view then, as now, was that vaccination is in the interests of public health and should be promoted”.

“My endorsement for conscientious objection does not extend to orchestrated campaigning against public vaccination and I have grown very concerned that upholding the right of conscientious objection has now become part of the campaign against public vaccination,” Brown wrote.

Doesn't it warm your heart how the believers are abandoned so readily.

Makes you wonder if their is any shame in politics.
Funny how it has taken nearly 20 years to clarify that, if the article is accurate.

 

[sydboy007]

A Chinese friend recently found out he had whooping cough. He was fairly sure he wasn't vacinated when a child.

He was so glad that his kids are all fully vaccinated.

I think the problem none of the anti vacinate people have ever met someone with one of the diseases.

I used to work with a guy who'd had polio when he was younger. He had to use crutchs to walk around, and it left him with trouble breathing at times.

To me the risks of not vacinating are far more than might be from vacinating. It's one of the reasons the avg life expectancy these days is in the 80s instead of the mid 40s a century ago.

Maybe the Govt should get parents to sign a waver so that any medical costs associated with not vacinating their child will not be covered by medicare. A few parents on ACA or Today 2 Nite bemoaning near bankruptcy to save their child from a vacinatable disease might prompt other to think twice. I don't see why the majority who make the decision to vacinate, which will save the health budget billions, should have to pay when it all goes wrong for those who consciously choose not to vacinate their children.

 

[sptrawler]

A Chinese friend recently found out he had whooping cough. He was fairly sure he wasn't vacinated when a child.

He was so glad that his kids are all fully vaccinated.

I think the problem none of the anti vacinate people have ever met someone with one of the diseases.

I used to work with a guy who'd had polio when he was younger. He had to use crutchs to walk around, and it left him with trouble breathing at times.

To me the risks of not vacinating are far more than might be from vacinating. It's one of the reasons the avg life expectancy these days is in the 80s instead of the mid 40s a century ago.

Maybe the Govt should get parents to sign a waver so that any medical costs associated with not vacinating their child will not be covered by medicare. A few parents on ACA or Today 2 Nite bemoaning near bankruptcy to save their child from a vacinatable disease might prompt other to think twice. I don't see why the majority who make the decision to vacinate, which will save the health budget billions, should have to pay when it all goes wrong for those who consciously choose not to vacinate their children.

You are spot on Syd, for effective herd immunity, it requires around 80% immunisation. I think I read, we are begining to fall under that, which will see the re emergence of some deseases.

 

[boofhead]

Required immusation for the herd protection to work differs for each disease. For some I've seen closer to 94%.

I look forward to the day where we don't need to immunise against many things we do now because they are erradicated. Instead we immunise to reduce likelyhood of getting cancers (and we've started).

 

[matty77]

Did anyone see the show on Four Corners (I think) about our fellow Chiropractors Association and how they don't support immunization. They have a neutral stand which IMHO is just as bad.

Got a cold, go to the Chiro.
Oh got Cancer? go to Chiro.

Immunization.... nah go to the Chiro, they'll fix ya right up.

Who needs Doctors, we have Chiros nowdays.....

I have a friend, she is super intelligent and great person - she is a Chiro and pregnant. God I hope she immunizes her baby but I can see it a mile away that she wont. In fact she has refused all scans during her pregnancy as it might harm the baby. Even intelligence doesn't mean you will have common sense..

 

[sptrawler]

Did anyone see the show on Four Corners (I think) about our fellow Chiropractors Association and how they don't support immunization. They have a neutral stand which IMHO is just as bad.

Got a cold, go to the Chiro.
Oh got Cancer? go to Chiro.

Immunization.... nah go to the Chiro, they'll fix ya right up.

Who needs Doctors, we have Chiros nowdays.....

I have a friend, she is super intelligent and great person - she is a Chiro and pregnant. God I hope she immunizes her baby but I can see it a mile away that she wont. In fact she has refused all scans during her pregnancy as it might harm the baby. Even intelligence doesn't mean you will have common sense..

What would a chiropractor now about immunisation? Bit like asking your mechanic to check your prostate, that is unless your mechanic is Asian with very small hands, of course.

 

[boofhead]

Did anyone see the show on Four Corners (I think) about our fellow Chiropractors Association and how they don't support immunization.

It was probably Catalyst. I think they covered it well. The chiropractors seemed to show splits. Some prefer the profession to stick to what it knows best - muscular/skeletal work. The Catalyst story covered someone in a chiropractor teaching department of university making some claims about immunisation on her personal site. When contacted by Catalyst about the claims the site removed the information.

Why does the government not step up immunisations by doing them more widespread for no cost to the patient? In some places municipal council manage it for school children. Some vaccinations need topups later in life like for tetanus.

 

[Julia]

Why does the government not step up immunisations by doing them more widespread for no cost to the patient? In some places municipal council manage it for school children. Some vaccinations need topups later in life like for tetanus.

Unless there has been some very recent change, which I doubt, vaccinations are all government funded.
They are available through all doctors and various other organisations. There is no impediment to vaccination other than some misguided belief by some parents.

 

[sptrawler]

Unless there has been some very recent change, which I doubt, vaccinations are all government funded.
They are available through all doctors and various other organisations. There is no impediment to vaccination other than some misguided belief by some parents.

From what I remember from our four kids and now our five grandkids under five, you are spot on.

 

[medicowallet]

Unless there has been some very recent change, which I doubt, vaccinations are all government funded.
They are available through all doctors and various other organisations. There is no impediment to vaccination other than some misguided belief by some parents.

The childhood immunisation schedule covers most things for most people.

Certain vaccinations are only available for at risk groups (eg indigenous Australians) and/or the number of doses differs.

When the effect wears off, eg pertussis, there is charge to the patient, be it the cost of the vaccine (approx $20 the last time I had it), plus the dreaded GP charge.

An effective immunisation register, with immunisation clinics might increase vaccination rates, as opposed to the current system.


As for immunisation, in a world with such mobility of its population, it is almost a no-brainer. I am also view the people who rely on the goodwill of others to vaccinate their children, so they don't have to, poorly. However, the so-called do-gooders do some funny things.

MW

 

[sptrawler]

The childhood immunisation schedule covers most things for most people.

Certain vaccinations are only available for at risk groups (eg indigenous Australians) and/or the number of doses differs.

When the effect wears off, eg pertussis, there is charge to the patient, be it the cost of the vaccine (approx $20 the last time I had it), plus the dreaded GP charge.

An effective immunisation register, with immunisation clinics might increase vaccination rates, as opposed to the current system.


As for immunisation, in a world with such mobility of its population, it is almost a no-brainer. I am also view the people who rely on the goodwill of others to vaccinate their children, so they don't have to, poorly. However, the so-called do-gooders do some funny things.

MW

But as a generalisation, Julia you are right, most major centres and cities have free clinics for immunisation.

 

[medicowallet]

But as a generalisation, Julia you are right, most major centres and cities have free clinics for immunisation.

In general, but as the poster that Julia replied to stated, top ups are often charged for. It is here where a register would make it easier.

People have no idea what they got and when.

MW

 

[cynic]

One Spring I happened to mention to my GP that I'd recently been subjected to significant peer pressure from well meaning friends and relatives in relation to influenza vaccinations. Upon hearing this my GP recommended that I reply with the simple question "Will you be financing my respite care for the remainder of my life when it all goes wrong?" and that upon receipt of the likely negative response, to follow up with the retort "Then shut the !@#$ up!"

As you can probably surmise from this post , I've experienced adverse health outcomes from past vaccinations and get very annoyed at the naive "one size fits all" assumptions regarding safety and efficacy of popular medical practices.

 

[sptrawler]

One Spring I happened to mention to my GP that I'd recently been subjected to significant peer pressure from well meaning friends and relatives in relation to influenza vaccinations. Upon hearing this my GP recommended that I reply with the simple question "Will you be financing my respite care for the remainder of my life when it all goes wrong?" and that upon receipt of the likely negative response, to follow up with the retort "Then shut the !@#$ up!"

As you can probably surmise from this post , I've experienced adverse health outcomes from past vaccinations and get very annoyed at the naive "one size fits all" assumptions regarding safety and efficacy of popular medical practices.

I don't have the infuenza shot either, I had it once and to me it seemed cause me to get the flu. It may have been coincidence, but I've never bothered again.
I think regarding this thread, we were talking about child vaccination generaly.

 

[sydboy007]

One Spring I happened to mention to my GP that I'd recently been subjected to significant peer pressure from well meaning friends and relatives in relation to influenza vaccinations. Upon hearing this my GP recommended that I reply with the simple question "Will you be financing my respite care for the remainder of my life when it all goes wrong?" and that upon receipt of the likely negative response, to follow up with the retort "Then shut the !@#$ up!"

As you can probably surmise from this post , I've experienced adverse health outcomes from past vaccinations and get very annoyed at the naive "one size fits all" assumptions regarding safety and efficacy of popular medical practices.

I think there's a difference between a vaccination that gives long term to life time immunity compared to the flu vaccination that provides at best a years worth of protection IF they pick the right strain.

I've never bothered to get the flu vac because at best you seem to get a few days of feeling not hot, to sometimes getting as bad as the flu. It's nigh on 10 years since I got the flu so so seems to have been an OK decision, at least on a personal level.

On a whole different level are the people with obvious cold / fly symptoms who think it's Ok to get on public transport and head to work. I'd love to see the Govt bring in legislation mandating employers send staff home who have obvious cold / fly symptoms. Have the decency to stay home and limit your infection of others!