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With respect Rumpy, the pessimistic outcome is nearer 3% of 50% of the population, although maybe our health system can get it down to the high tens of thousands.
Just remember we get as a minimum a few thousand deaths from the common flu each year, and this virus is variously estimated around 30 times as deadly.
Ok @SirRumpole, how about if there are less than 2000 deaths by , i end augusti donate $25 ..if still alive and out of ICU, to Joe fund.Andrew Probyn on ABC.
There is a looming health "catastrophe" and the public will have to steel themselves that thousands of people will die.
Alarmist ? IMO yes.
If people do the right thing then we should be able to limit the infection, and the media need to get with the program, not needlessly scare people.
Never going to happen, if anyone tries to hold the media to account, the media just cranks up the vitriol a notch and only reports negative content.Like I say...the media has been irresponsible, sensationalist and very loose with the truth and needs to be held to account.
I certainly agree about the cruise ships, that was complete stupidity. My general point about Probyn was that he was putting his own spin on the issue and projecting the most pessimistic outcome instead of reporting the facts and keeping the governments honest about what was actually being done.
Ok @SirRumpole, how about if there are less than 2000 deaths by , i end augusti donate $25 ..if still alive and out of ICU, to Joe fund.
Feel free to do the same with same provision
Based on current gov reaction, thousands of deaths is a given
Only question is should media say it: aka potential panic
Jump in SirRumpole, Joe will not lose on this one
Perfect, and we both hope I lose.If we only have 2k deaths, imho, it would be a major victoryAgreed.
Perfect, and we both hope I lose
My anecdotal observations is that people are responding to the response not the reason.Many other nations have involved their military in a number of ways - what is ours doing?
It's all good and well pouring tens of billions into the economic ramifications, but right now every arm of government should have been mobilised to put in place public and community health measures which would have gone a long way to ameliorating the economic stimuli.
You’ve been very critical of the current PM yet all you offer is to sit on the sideline behind your keyboard and post on a stock forum about your personal issues with the LNP using the constant benefit of hindsight. People like you, and there are a lot of people like you in the public, do nothing but move from one issue to another with a constant stream of vitriol and offer absolutely nothing and have certainly done jack to really help advance proper change. You are clearly so arrogant that your own self belief think you know better than the current government. So I ask, how has your pathetic political career gone? I guess it’s just easier to remain a troll spewing force vitriol instead of rolling up your sleeves to make a genuine difference to the public good. I will admit, you make for a good internet troll but suck as a politicianAre you unintelligent?
Scomo appears to be ignoring the best lessons from overseas experiences which have proved successful.
What that has to do with the Liberal Party is anyone's guess.
This is a medical health emergency, not a political crisis.
Scomo is, however, doing his best to be as well regarded as Trump in tackling the issue.
So let's put some flesh on this.
Scomo knew from the recent national bushfires that we had no "national emergency" powers in federal legislation: it's all with the states. What did he do?
Answer: nothing!
So we now have another crisis.
What are the feds doing?
Blaming the states when they get it wrong rather than bringing them all together (electronically) and agreeing on consistent national principles.
We, the public, are being treated a bit like crash test dummies.
Hey guys and gals,
Please keep it civil.
Let's keep it above the belt.
I agree that these discussions should be kept civil. There's never an excuse for making things personal. The moment someone insults another forum member is the moment that the discussion has ceased being about the topic at hand and inevitably degenerates into a slanging match.
Please keep it civil at all times. Always take the high road.
Traffic on the site seems to have increased Joe.
It's an ill wind... as they say.
Definitely agreed.Please keep it civil at all times. Always take the high road.
I am critical because I have noted what has been done to be successful, yet even now we have schools open. This is not a benefit of hindsight. And I also said before most people that 2 key safety nets were debt relief and a living wage - you will find my posts date stamped. I have zero "personal issues" with the LNP as you suggest, but I am critical of our PM for the many reasons I have already stated - he has done too little too late.You’ve been very critical of the current PM yet all you offer is to sit on the sideline behind your keyboard and post on a stock forum about your personal issues with the LNP using the constant benefit of hindsight.
That is completely untrue. The nastiness is from you because your OP to this thread was ill founded and you have continued to lie about your stance.People like you, and there are a lot of people like you in the public, do nothing but move from one issue to another with a constant stream of vitriol and offer absolutely nothing and have certainly done jack to really help advance proper change.
First, I have posted in many threads and offered ideas that have worked in other countries. The issue here is why they are being put to one side by our government. Why aren't the military (or private sector) building dedicated COVID-19 field hospitals so that our normal hospital system can operate as usual? That worked exceptionally well in Wuhan where no new cases are now being reported, after having been the epicentre just 2 months ago.You are clearly so arrogant that your own self belief think you know better than the current government. So I ask, how has your pathetic political career gone?
I call out bad posts and say exactly why, often in forensic detail. Yours was grossly deficient and you have followed it up with a stream of petty personal insults instead of addressing the points I made in relation to your claims.I guess it’s just easier to remain a troll spewing force vitriol instead of rolling up your sleeves to make a genuine difference to the public good.
I am critical because I have noted what has been done to be successful, yet even now we have schools open. This is not a benefit of hindsight. And I also said before most people that 2 key safety nets were debt relief and a living wage - you will find my posts date stamped. I have zero "personal issues" with the LNP as you suggest, but I am critical of our PM for the many reasons I have already stated - he has done too little too late.
THE WHO says the most important thing we can do is "test, test, test," but we are not, as we don't have enough test kits.
That is completely untrue. The nastiness is from you because your OP to this thread was ill founded and you have continued to lie about your stance.
First, I have posted in many threads and offered ideas that have worked in other countries. The issue here is why they are being put to one side by our government. Why aren't the military (or private sector) building dedicated COVID-19 field hospitals so that our normal hospital system can operate as usual? That worked exceptionally well in Wuhan where no new cases are now being reported, after having been the epicentre just 2 months ago.
I call out bad posts and say exactly why, often in forensic detail. Yours was grossly deficient and you have followed it up with a stream of petty personal insults instead of addressing the points I made in relation to your claims.
I also made the point that we need federal legislation to allow "emergency powers" to be exercised at a national level. Is that on the table? No, we still have states doing their own thing; in NSW poorly and in Tassie, well.
Seriously?oh quick...context switch...play the victim card
So my comment on anger coming after the fearDefinitely agreed.
I think everyone, both online and in the physical world, needs to bear in mind at all times that many people will be under very considerable mental stress with all this.
Risk of death is the most obvious and drastic one.
Many will lose large amounts of money. That's less drastic than death but still a problem if it turns someone's reasonable retirement into a meager existence for the next 20 years or means that their dream of buying a house or seeing the world is now shattered. It's a major blow to them both practically and psychologically.
Many will see businesses fail or lose their employment. Some will in practice never recover due to lack of capital and inability to gain new employment due to especially age. Plenty ended up like that during previous recessions so odds are this'll be at least as bad.
That virtually everyone will have at least the next 6 months disrupted and not as they'd intended is another.
At a broader level, the probable loss of various "iconic" businesses and perhaps individuals (death) will bring a sense of doom and gloom to many. It only needs some business that everyone's been a customer of or at least knows of and that seemed "too big to fail" to actually fail and that brings a sense of gloom to everyone. Likewise if someone well known and liked passes away due to the virus.
So my thought is, in short, let's look after each other and bear in mind that others we meet, either online or off, may well be under incredible stress at the present time.
So my comment on anger coming after the fear
Anger about others, about own decisions etc
Losing 15 to 30pc of your wealth, you need an escape goat.
I am critical because I have noted what has been done to be successful, yet even now we have schools open. This is not a benefit of hindsight. And I also said before most people that 2 key safety nets were debt relief and a living wage - you will find my posts date stamped. I have zero "personal issues" with the LNP as you suggest, but I am critical of our PM for the many reasons I have already stated - he has done too little too late.
THE WHO says the most important thing we can do is "test, test, test," but we are not, as we don't have enough test kits.
That is completely untrue. The nastiness is from you because your OP to this thread was ill founded and you have continued to lie about your stance.
First, I have posted in many threads and offered ideas that have worked in other countries. The issue here is why they are being put to one side by our government. Why aren't the military (or private sector) building dedicated COVID-19 field hospitals so that our normal hospital system can operate as usual? That worked exceptionally well in Wuhan where no new cases are now being reported, after having been the epicentre just 2 months ago.
I call out bad posts and say exactly why, often in forensic detail. Yours was grossly deficient and you have followed it up with a stream of petty personal insults instead of addressing the points I made in relation to your claims.
I also made the point that we need federal legislation to allow "emergency powers" to be exercised at a national level. Is that on the table? No, we still have states doing their own thing; in NSW poorly and in Tassie, well.
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