I couldn't believe it!

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Recently, I heard about an Islamic cleric living in Australia who said muslims (not people from specific countries, but muslims) have more rights here in Australia because they chose to come here and we were born here.

I'm interested in what people think of this comment.

I believe it is an attack on our society and is instilling hatred towards white Australians. This is a bigger problem than most people would care to admit. It will affect the markets when they take over our way of life and reduce everything back to the dark ages, in a barbaric fashion. :swear:

This is a political post that is not spam.

 

[Happy]

Surprisingly, we hear very little about how women are treated by males, we are yet to get somebody to break the ranks.

Not so recently, during the ‘gang rape trial’ time, one of the female supporters of the now convicted rapists said that girls ‘wanted to be raped’ also that under Koran everybody is equal.

Just few days ago one Muslim cleric said that it is OK to beat the women, not sure if retraced the comment as I don’t follow the stories they just get my attention as I scan the news, so some I might have missed.

 

[chriswillz]

Poor ethics

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Poor ethics

Speaking of ethics, Steve Vizard is a fine example of what not to become. I wonder how many other people out there are doing the same.

With respect to this thread though, I feel the anti western and white content in this country at the moment is showing a lack of ethics and respect.

 

[chriswillz]

I understand Vizard's conundrum. Knowing privelaged information but being unable to purchase shares with it. He lost on the trades anyway.

 

[markrmau]

This is a political post that is not spam.

But it is equally rediculous.

Sadly, when people think of Islam, their thoughts drift towards terrorism, sharia law, and the abuse of women in some of the less advanced parts of the world.

They never stop to think

1. of the positive things that Muslims have said or done - Mohamed Ali refused to go to Vietnam, because no VC ever called him a ******, or the Bulldogs player who refused to give DNA swabs after the hotel raping incident because 'I am a Muslim. I don't do that sort of thing, it has got nothing to do with me.'

2. People who believe in christianity, budhism, anarchy, atheism..... have all at some time, past and present been equally barbarous.

I can't beleive I have to say this to supposedly educated people, but these actions that are so abhorrent to the current 'civilised' society come from within the people themselves. It doesn't come from the religion (though religion can be used as a vehicle to entice others to carry out your desires - a vehicle of influence).

 

[Bloveld]

Recently, I heard about an Islamic cleric living in Australia who said muslims (not people from specific countries, but muslims) have more rights here in Australia because they chose to come here and we were born here.

I'm interested in what people think of this comment.

I believe it is an attack on our society and is instilling hatred towards white Australians. This is a bigger problem than most people would care to admit. It will affect the markets when they take over our way of life and reduce everything back to the dark ages, in a barbaric fashion. :swear:

This is a political post that is not spam.

You would be quite at home in the dark ages

 

[Milk Man]

Its pretty clear that there are huge double standards when it comes to saying anything detrimental towards minority groups. If they said the same about us I bet there wouldn't be so many loudmouths up on their soapbox!

Now tell me honestly that this moron isn't just Hitler with a tea-towel on his head

 

[Smurf1976]

ANY kind of fundamentalism has the potential to, and usually does, turn nasty. That applies whether it's Christian, Muslim, capitalist, Green, union or whatever.

Even in the markets if you're basing everything on some kind of fundamentalism without accepting reality then you are likely to go broke.

We need a lot more tolerance in my opinion, a LOT more.

I always make a point of fully understanding both sides of an argument if I am interested in the subject. I spend a lot of time making sure that I understand things that I don't agree with. I may not agree, but what is their point and why do they think like that?

Nine times out of ten if both sides make a point of thoroughly understanding the opposing view then some common ground can be reached and from that base some real progress can be made. Probably not enough to completely please either side, but real progress nonetheless. That just doesn't happen if you stick to a fundamentalist view and in that case your own cause and that of the opposing side are both disadvantaged.

The truth is usually somewhere between the opposing views.

 

[DTM]

Speaking of ethics, Steve Vizard is a fine example of what not to become. I wonder how many other people out there are doing the same.

What a crook and how hypocritical a society we live in!!!! :swear:

Sorry, had to get that out. I can't believe that Rene Rivkin went to jail over a small matter and ASIC won't even go after Vizard in a criminal court. One rule for friends of the elite and one for every one else.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

But it is equally rediculous.

Sadly, when people think of Islam, their thoughts drift towards terrorism, sharia law, and the abuse of women in some of the less advanced parts of the world.

They never stop to think

1. of the positive things that Muslims have said or done - Mohamed Ali refused to go to Vietnam, because no VC ever called him a ******, or the Bulldogs player who refused to give DNA swabs after the hotel raping incident because 'I am a Muslim. I don't do that sort of thing, it has got nothing to do with me.'

2. People who believe in christianity, budhism, anarchy, atheism..... have all at some time, past and present been equally barbarous.

I can't beleive I have to say this to supposedly educated people, but these actions that are so abhorrent to the current 'civilised' society come from within the people themselves. It doesn't come from the religion (though religion can be used as a vehicle to entice others to carry out your desires - a vehicle of influence).

Mark,

My post has nothing to do religion. It happens to be that the person attacking our society is a muslim. That's all! You are right that actions come from people themselves; we are animals and on the whole scheme of things a speck in time and space. The Dinosaurs had ruled Earth longer than we have. I do understand that we are all barbaric to an extent.

The Islamic religion, to most people, is somewhat ambiguous and abstract. I do happen to know a lot about it and respect it dearly. However, I don't respect the anti western content dished out by the extremist elements in the world today; quite rational don't you think? But I'm sure you've already thought about that.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

You would be quite at home in the dark ages

:southpark You hate women don't you!

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Its pretty clear that there are huge double standards when it comes to saying anything detrimental towards minority groups. If they said the same about us I bet there wouldn't be so many loudmouths up on their soapbox!

Now tell me honestly that this moron isn't just Hitler with a tea-towel on his head

It's always the case: change your culture so you don't offend the immigrants, eg. the reluctance of putting up Christmas decorations in shopping malls. Though they are allowed to abuse and racially villify my culture; and yes we do have a culture to preserve.

Why is this so?

 

[ghotib]

Recently, I heard about an Islamic cleric living in Australia who said muslims (not people from specific countries, but muslims) have more rights here in Australia because they chose to come here and we were born here.

I'm interested in what people think of this comment.

Tina,

It doesn't sound as if you heard this yourself, so would you mind posting who told you about it and where they heard it, or heard about it, and who said it? In normal times it's easy for things to get misheard or misunderstood, not to mention invented or misquoted, with messy consequences. Even more so now.

Thanks,

Ghoti

 

[Bloveld]

:southpark You hate women don't you!

Do you intend to see me burn me at the stake as well?

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Tina,

It doesn't sound as if you heard this yourself, so would you mind posting who told you about it and where they heard it, or heard about it, and who said it? In normal times it's easy for things to get misheard or misunderstood, not to mention invented or misquoted, with messy consequences. Even more so now.

Thanks,

Ghoti

Ghotib,

I heard this particular cleric say it himself. Yes that is right I heard him on 2gb say it himself. Half of Sydney called in to complain about it. It is not hearsay, or what someone told me. Get it, it was broadcast on the radio. Life is about actively pursuing the news that affects you - trading or not.


http://www.2gb.com/

Listen to 2gb or 2gb.com on Monday nights to listen to a weekly show that has an expert on foreign affairs discuss issues. The host at 9pm is Brian Wiltshire. The next host starting at midnight is Jim Ball and he covers a lot of this as well all week. I am very well informed with what is going on in this country and I don't like what I see and hear. Most people are oblivious!

If you think I've said something wong about a muslim cleric, then take it up with 2gb. It has proven that we cannot say anything about immigrants but they can racially villify us. Sad. Sad. Sad.

 

[sam76]

Stan Zemanik also played it on 2UE (weekdays from 9pm)

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Do you intend to see me burn me at the stake as well?

Is this your winter holiday plan?

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Stan Zemanik also played it on 2UE (weekdays from 9pm)

Give him a listen as well, people.

 

[ghotib]

I heard this particular cleric say it himself. Yes that is right I heard him on 2gb say it himself. Half of Sydney called in to complain about it. It is not hearsay, or what someone told me. Get it, it was broadcast on the radio.

Hi Tina,

Your original post says

Recently, I heard about an Islamic cleric living in Australia who said...

That's why I thought you hadn't heard it yourself. Thank you for clarifying.

I work on Monday nights, but I had a look at the 2gb website and at Brian Wiltshire's own website, and couldn't find information about past interviews. I wonder if the guy you heard is the same one I've heard and seen over the last week or so who is associated with a mosque at, I think, Auburn (there are at least two in the area). He looks younger than 25, he's Australian-born with an accent not that far removed from Paul Hogan's, and he spouted some pretty extreme, as well as pretty confused, views which could have been fairly close to what I think you heard.

Anyway, you asked for comment on this

...muslims (not people from specific countries, but muslims) have more rights here in Australia because they chose to come here and we were born here.

First comment is that all Australian citizens have the same rights and responsibilities. Period.

Second comment is that "more rights here in Australia" doesn't actually say what rights he is claiming for some Australians that are not available to others. Maybe he means that Australian muslims born in other countries have dual citizenship and therefore have rights in other countries that Australian-born Australian citizens don't have. Big deal?

Still, I guess you don't think that's what he meant, and I don't really think so either. I just think it's worth pointing out that he's a muddled speaker, because that suggests that he might well be a muddled thinker.

Third comment is that a heck of a lot, and possibly a majority, of muslims now resident and/or citizens of Australia were born in Australia, so the cleric needs to explain how come he's assuming different rights for different muslims.

Final comment: the statement is meaningless. It might also be dangerous and inflammatory if people take it seriously, whether they agree or disagree with what they think it means. But essentially it makes no sense and there's no sense arguing about it. I think the best reaction is simply to uphold, in word and deed, the Australian principles of equality before the law.

And just BTW, the islamic communities in Australia are at least as racially diverse as the christian and atheist communities. If this comment was intended to instill hatred towards white Australians, the guy is going to instill hatred towards an awful lot of muslims as well. More muddle.

It has proven that we cannot say anything about immigrants but they can racially villify us. Sad. Sad. Sad.

Like I said, equality before the law. If you think this has really been proven, take it up with the High Court.

Cheers,

Ghoti