Horrific child murder in Perth

For God sake bullmarket,how about you verify,that what you think is what God meant you to think.
The bible is a very old book translated by people,who we know all too often fail.
And if you have a problem with what I say put me on your ignore list,same thing,people like you are what gives religion a bad name.You are so sure and yet,the Vatican keeps on modernising its views as represented in the Bible.

No problem Visual

visual said:

For God sake bullmarket,how about you verify,that what you think is what God meant you to think.
The bible is a very old book translated by people,who we know all too often fail.
And if you have a problem with what I say put me on your ignore list,same thing,people like you are what gives religion a bad name.You are so sure and yet,the Vatican keeps on modernising its views as represented in the Bible.

Click to expand...

I don't have a problem with your posts at all as you are just as entitled to express your views as I am mine

I was just reminding you of your options if you have a problem with my posts.

Regarding you asking me to verify my beliefs - as I said before, we discussed all this in another thread and so I am not going to copy and paste them here.

cheers

bullmarket

bullmarket said:

I explained the roles of the law makers, prosecuting and defence lawyers to help ensure a fair trial.
bullmarket

Click to expand...

Bullmarket have you even being in a court of law? Maybe you should just spend a bit of time there I suggest the county court and the supreme court stay for the all trial,hang around the corridors before the courts open and listen to the prosecutor or defence lawyers of even the tipstaff just generally talking,you will learn a lot.

Hi Visual

visual said:

Bullmarket have you even being in a court of law? Maybe you should just spend a bit of time there I suggest the county court and the supreme court stay for the all trial,hang around the corridors before the courts open and listen to the prosecutor or defence lawyers of even the tipstaff just generally talking,you will learn a lot.

Click to expand...

yes I have

cheers

bullmarket

ps...I'll login again tonight if you want to discuss further

bullmarket said:

Regarding you asking me to verify my beliefs

Click to expand...

Bullmarket you misunderstand,verify GOD thinks what you think he meant with his lessons.Verify that,before you ask anyone else to verify any of their opinions.
You are just expressing opinions that are humanly,God on the other hand was more than a human,So how can you be so unmovable about what he thinks or what he meant.

Kennas,

I thought I mentioned my stance on earthly punishment in the previous post but perhaps I should clarify.


We are obligated to punish acts of crime. God or no God we should still enforce the law to it's fullest extent and punish those that need punishing.


Bullmarket, I honestly can not see how you interpert from the bible that acts of war are criminal - Ie one soldier killing another equates to murder. I am not saying that war is good or that we should not try and prevent it, but we can not hold soldiers responsible for thier actions (orders).

Let’s have a look at it from all mighty god point of view.

If he is so all mighty, he would not allow this to happen – not my idea, heard about it but it makes our trusted god an accomplice of this and every other severely naughty thing.
Of course until he is not so all mighty and is unable to prevent any horrible action.

You were bulled and now you try to bull us, wake up now as eternity is long time.



And here I should write - I only said what I think, and I write as it is and as I see it and this is the only correct way and if you don’t agree with me now, well I’ll work on it and try to convince you otherwise before it is too late and mere end of life euthanasia catches up with you.

Does it look like bull?

Hi Visual

visual said:

Bullmarket you misunderstand,verify GOD thinks what you think he meant with his lessons.Verify that,before you ask anyone else to verify any of their opinions.
You are just expressing opinions that are humanly,God on the other hand was more than a human,So how can you be so unmovable about what he thinks or what he meant.

Click to expand...

I really have to go now as mrs bullmarket is about to pull the pc's power chord out of the wall socket so as I said in my last post I will login again tonight.....in the mean time my views on your post above are posted in the other thread and so if you are genuinely interested and not simply trying to suck me into repeating my views here then please feel free to go search my posts for my views on the above.

cheers

bullmarket

bullmarket said:

Hi Visual



I really have to go now as mrs bullmarket is about to pull the pc's power chord out of the wall socket so as I said in my last post I will login again tonight.....in the mean time my views on your post above are posted in the other thread and so if you are genuinely interested and not simply trying to suck me into repeating my views here then please feel free to go search my posts for my views on the above.

cheers

bullmarket

Click to expand...

So no verification,thats what I thought.

Of course there's a God visual. He just operates in mysterious ways, and only appears to those who have faith. Or, are schizophrenic. Actually, there's some good books out by evolutionary psychiatrists that theorise that all the great prophets (JC, Muh, etc) had schizotypoid personalities which resulted in them hearing voices and having delusions of grandeur. Anyway, starting to get off the topic again I think...

Is it possible to get the best of the both worlds?

Execute the sicko, so there is justice on Earth. God forgives all those who repent so let the bastard repent his sins as they stick in the needle and he gets eternity in eutopia.

--

... and for the people discussing in this thread, the role of the soldiers in war, I think you do them tremendous dis-honour by even mentioning them in the same thread as this a55hole.

... if capital punishment is not helping to solve the crime situation, and life sentences just serve to fill up the prison system and the courts, is there a way to curb the miscreants before they go bad? Corporal punishment seemed to work for a looong time? Is it time to bring back the cat, the rattan and the 'Board of Education' ?

... and what of the lawmakers who make these laws with loopholes so people like this get a 'second chance'? And the lawyers who got him off the first time around? Aren't they partly responsible for this? Often the intention of the law (the reason the law was written in the first place) is overlooked by the lawyers who argue only the words with which the law was written. Is it time to overhaul the justice system to bring back common sense, in court to argue the logic of the law instead of the letter of the law?

I was just discussing this thread with my wife ,and how we would stand outside a toilet for our child to do its business.Numerous occassions I would be asked by women 'Hey stop perving' (spelling?),but I never took heed of their ignorance.
The guilt on the uncles behalf must be enormous ,just like the two kids that where staying at their grandparents farm......sadly drowned as the roof gave in to the water tank,whilst the grandparents frantically searched .These events like all other hidden agonies must be a fantastic soul destroying impact to anybodies lives.
At times like these I always refer to that elton John ,or Bernie Taupin lyric " If there was a God in heaven,what is he waiting for"?
Plse don't preach to me about religion ,I spent 2 years of life in Rome in a seminary.
I must admit I would be intrigued if the culprit spent some of his time in prison ie same cell with the guys who let this person out. How I would love to be the fly on the wall.
Just another thought my 8 year daughter saw her mum walking in the grounds of Taj Mahal this summer ,being a blonde child and one moment there next gone freaked me out ! those 3 minutes where pulsating my brain cells like a vice ! luckily I spotted her beside her mother where Princess Diana and Chuck had all the paparazzi photos taken.

And there is this woman trying to get out of jail. A chef

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=108595

All murders in the past derve the attention this latest has - death penalty for weirdoes.

bullmarket said:

As evil, horrific and abhorent as this crime is, it still does not justify a death penalty imo for the reasons I posted in the other thread.

Imo, the minimum custodial sentence has to be a very long time to help deter others from committing similar offences and if after the minimum custodial sentence there is no genuine remorse and rehabilitation then you leave him locked up for the term of his natural life.

Imo, those who believe in God should find it a lot easier to cope with a custodial sentence for serious crimes like this in the knowledge that we will all be judged by our maker eventually where true justice will be done.

Imo, those that do not believe in God are much more likely to want to take the easy way out and commit another blatant and cowardly murder (at least in the moral sense) by taking another human life to exact what they perceive as 'justice' but imo is nothing more than cowardly vengeance.

In my eyes, there is very little distinction between the offender who committed the murder in the first place and those who would cowardly murder him as well in vengeance by stringing him up, strapping him to an electric chair or whatever other means they would choose.

Some food for thought I posted elsewhere:

I suppose those that do not believe in God are hoping that they are right and everyone else is wrong because eternity is a hell of a long time to be suffering in hell (or whatever your equivalent might be) for getting it wrong (ie...committing blatant murder, legalised or not) in the relatively miniscule 80 odd years we spend on average in this life

cheers

bullmarket

Click to expand...

Bull,

I`m sure the parents of the child would have a different opinion, as do I.

Weirdo!

Hi wabbit

wabbit said:

Is it possible to get the best of the both worlds?

Execute the sicko, so there is justice on Earth. God forgives all those who repent so let the bastard repent his sins as they stick in the needle and he gets eternity in eutopia.

... and for the people discussing in this thread, the role of the soldiers in war, I think you do them tremendous dis-honour by even mentioning them in the same thread as this a55hole.

... if capital punishment is not helping to solve the crime situation, and life sentences just serve to fill up the prison system and the courts, is there a way to curb the miscreants before they go bad? Corporal punishment seemed to work for a looong time? Is it time to bring back the cat, the rattan and the 'Board of Education' ?

... and what of the lawmakers who make these laws with loopholes so people like this get a 'second chance'? And the lawyers who got him off the first time around? Aren't they partly responsible for this? Often the intention of the law (the reason the law was written in the first place) is overlooked by the lawyers who argue only the words with which the law was written. Is it time to overhaul the justice system to bring back common sense, in court to argue the logic of the law instead of the letter of the law?

Click to expand...

Imo the best of both worlds is locking up serious offenders with no remorse or prospects for rehabilitation for the terms of their natural life and let them be judged by our creator.......as I said earlier, those who do not believe in God are much more likely to want to take the easy way out and commit another blatant cowardly murder by stringing up the offender or strapping him to an electric chair etc.

Imo there is very little distinction between the original murderer and the people who would then murder, in at least the moral sense, the offender out of vengeance or some sort of perceived 'justice'

I described my views in other threads of the roles of law makers and both defence and prosecuting lawyers to ensure as fair a trial as possible which everyone is entitled to imo.......where cases go to court, eventually it is the juries that find offenders not guilty and not the lawyers.....maybe we should encourage juries to iginore the 'legal speak' that goes on and put more emphasis on the original intentions of the law, but then different jurors may also have different opinions on the laws' intentions and that is where the law makers have to make them as clear as possible and without loopholes....easier said than done in some case though

cheers

bullmarket

Hi clowboy

clowboy said:

Bullmarket, I honestly can not see how you interpert from the bible that acts of war are criminal - Ie one soldier killing another equates to murder. I am not saying that war is good or that we should not try and prevent it, but we can not hold soldiers responsible for thier actions (orders).

Click to expand...

I have never ever said that acts of war are criminal - please refer me to the thread name and post number within that thread where you think I made such a claim.

What I have always said is that imo human life is sacrosanct and the taking of another human life can only be justified in self defence - be it in a war or some other circumstance where your life is being unjustifiably threatened by someone else.

I hope this clarifies things for you

cheers

bullmarket

I know it's dangerous to spread rumours so please remember that this is a rumour....
I just recieved this email

Hello friends
I am just so angry, frustrated and really upset at what has happened at the Livingston Shopping Centre that I needed to let you all know the "truth" behind the mongrel murderer.
About 3 yrs ago when I was working at the prison we found out that one of the boys (at the time aged about 12) that abducted James Bulger from a shopping centre in the U.K., then brutally raped and murdered him, had reached the age of 18 and had been sent out to Australia with a new identity for his family, etc. Long story short is that he was given the name of Dante Arthurs, his grandfather's name is Arthur Dante, and his family moved into a house in Canning Vale. When the prison staff got wind of this it was all supposed to be kept hushed up, it was some sort of prisoner exchange deal the Aust Govt set up. Soon after he got here he assaulted a 12 yrd old girl in a park in Canning Vale and consequently came to Hakea prison but for only about 6 weeks as they couldn't get enough evidence on him and the incident was brushed under the mat.
His parents used to visit him and their photos were on the computers at work and I clearly recall seeing his mum at the Livingston shops one day. I even had his address and because I've got friends and family in the area, I felt I had a right to tell them, stuff the prisons!!
I had even driven past his house in Lakeview Rise estate in Canning Vale!
Anyway when this happened yesterday I said to Ron, it'd be interesting to see if it's that Dante Arthurs guy from the U.K. and sure enough today we find out that it is him. I am, along with a lot of others, absolutely furious that the mongrel ******** was allowed to come here via the Govt in the first place and that he was allowed to appear to live a normal life!! Why haven't the police done something about this - he should not be allowed to breathe air, he is the scum of the earth. And tonight he would be sitting back in a comfortable cell in prison, having just had a reasonable hot dinner and be watching TV!
That innocent little girl and her poor family will never ever be the same again - all because the piss weak Justice System and Govt allowed him to live in our country! There is a register for paedophiles so that the community are allowed to know where they're living and yet this piece of **** can live on our back door step with a new identity. People winge about illegal immigrants, what about this?
It will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few days, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's whisked out of the country in the same manner he was bought here, then again knowing our pathetic laws, we'll probably keep him here in our justice system, costing tax payers hundreds of thousands of dollars to feed and entertain him PLUS the do-gooders will believe in their minds that they can rehabilitate him!
I was just going to type "sorry" but I'm not at all sorry for alerting my friends to something that should be publicly known.
Stay safe, talk soon.

Great rumour kgee.

Surely, this is a candidate for the noose? If he goes to jail he'll get his due I'm sure. I'm sure Aussie prisoners will deal out appropriate justice here.

Hi kgee

which part of your email is rumuor and which part is fact?

cheers

bullmarket

With all due respect to everybody's differing opinions on this vile crime, this piece of dog###t should not only be put to death, but he should first be made to feel the same pain that poor little girl felt in those few horrific minutes......I am a chrisitian and have been brought up in a good and religious home but animals like this are NOT human. They do not deserve to breathe the same air we breathe or live in prison while our tax dollars fatten them up so he can get out and do it again and again. There is no such thing as rehabilitation for monsters!

For all those who dont agree with this, just put yourselves in her parents position........ God forbid I was in their place i would hunt down this animal and let him feel the pain a thousand-fold because I have seen the pathetic way the legal system treats them..........I believe in karma and I only hope he gets his........otherwise i say call in the lynchmobs