Has Clive Palmer gone loco?

Julia · 20 August 2014

SirRumpole said:
Dear oh dear, Pauline Hanson again ?

At least Pauline Hanson's influence was largely just in Queensland. And, as far as I can recall, she didn't hold the balance of power federally.
But yes, the 'invasion' message seems similar.
Not content with warning us about imminent threat from the Chinese, Ms Lambie has gone on today to suggest we are also at risk of invasion by Indonesia.

Bintang said:
It's not just glee. How about the mockery in the 'Starting a Paper' article.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cutandpaste/starting-a-paper-were-happy-to-help/story-fn72xczz-1227029973875

That's so cleverly put together and so funny. At least it would be if this egocentric creature did not have such a position of power.

I especially liked the bit where Clive is describing how he's going to hold his own special climate change forum at his very own Palmer resort on the Sunshine Coast, and Penny Wong and Heather Ridout both say "amongst the dinosaurs?"

sptrawler · 20 August 2014

SirRumpole said:
Dear oh dear, Pauline Hanson again ?

However, China is getting somewhat more aggressive in it's military build up. That has been recognised by former and current governments, and as Lambie said is one of the reasons we now have US marines stationed in Darwin.

I see no reason why we shouldn't sensibly recognise and respond to changes in the strategic balance, but perhaps not in the blunt weapon way that Lambie has.

China is a trading partner that we want to keep, but the US has always been our military protector, and there is no reason that has to change either.

Unless China wishes to source a lot of its imports from elsewhere, similar to what Indoneasia did after the cattle export debacle.

Then we will look like a bunch of idiots, how much damage do you think China can do to us if it decides to impose targeted sanctions?

Julia · 20 August 2014

sptrawler said:
Unless China wishes to source a lot of its imports from elsewhere, similar to what Indoneasia did after the cattle export debacle.

Then we will look like a bunch of idiots, how much damage do you think China can do to us if it decides to impose targeted sanctions?

Something that has already been suggested:

The criticism from senior politicians has not satisfied the Chinese state-owned tabloid the Global Times, which has taken aim at Mr Palmer in its editorial.

"China cannot let him off or show petty kindness just because the Australian Government has condemned him," it stated.

"China must be aware that Palmer's rampant rascality serves as a symbol that Australian society has an unfriendly attitude toward China."

It has called on the Chinese government to consider imposing sanctions on Mr Palmer and his companies, including cutting off all business contacts with him.

"The sanctions could also be given to any Australian companies which have business dealings with Palmer's," the editorial said.

"China must let those prancing provocateurs know how much of a price they pay when they deliberately rile us."

PUP senator Jacqui Lambie yesterday added fuel to the fire by saying the Chinese government was "aggressive, anti-democratic, totalitarian" and warned of a Chinese invasion.

SirRumpole · 20 August 2014

sptrawler said:
Then we will look like a bunch of idiots, how much damage do you think China can do to us if it decides to impose targeted sanctions?

I don't know. We could freeze Chinese investment in Australia in return, but I don't think the Chinese are that bloody minded.

So what do we do ? Lock Palmer up ? Talk to Tony Abbott about that, he did it to Pauline Hanson, and now he's the PM.

drsmith · 20 August 2014

A legal setback for Uncle Clive,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...t-citic-pacific/story-fn59niix-1227030839294#

sptrawler · 20 August 2014

SirRumpole said:
I don't know. We could freeze Chinese investment in Australia in return, but I don't think the Chinese are that bloody minded. .

Well we certainly hope the Chinese aren't that bloody minded, we suspended exports to Indonesia on the strengh of a t.v programme. I think they could send us into a fiscal depression in months, if they chose to do so.
It may sound tough and ockerish to kick sand in the big guys face, but don't cry when he bashes you.lol

SirRumpole said:
So what do we do ? Lock Palmer up ? Talk to Tony Abbott about that, he did it to Pauline Hanson, and now he's the PM.

Start and act like grown ups, springs to mind.
Palmer, Shorten, Milne etc really need to settle down and think about our national interest, rather than having a tag team wrestling match against Abbott.
It may make Fairfax circulation and share price improve, but it all does little to help our fiscal situation.

The LNP has been elected to make decissions, whether Palmer and Co agree or not, they should be judged at the next election.
Same as Labor/ Greens were at the last election.

SirRumpole · 20 August 2014

Palmer, Shorten, Milne etc really need to settle down and think about our national interest, rather than having a tag team wrestling match against Abbott.

There are multiple definitions of "national interest" aren't there ?

It comes down to the age old question of whether the Senate should give the government a blank cheque, especially when most of the items in question never had a mandate because they were never mentioned before the election.

98% of the budget has been passed according to reports, so it's now up to Abbott and co to negotiate the rest through, like Gillard had to do with her legislation.

sptrawler · 20 August 2014

SirRumpole said:
There are multiple definitions of "national interest" aren't there ?.

Yes but most, including Palmer, Stevens and the treasury agree there is a fiscal situation that requires attention.
Shorten, Milne, Swan etc don't agree understandably, as they caused it.

SirRumpole said:
It comes down to the age old question of whether the Senate should give the government a blank cheque, especially when most of the items in question never had a mandate because they were never mentioned before the election..

Something like what happened under Labor?

SirRumpole said:
98% of the budget has been passed according to reports, so it's now up to Abbott and co to negotiate the rest through, like Gillard had to do with her legislation.

If 98% of the budget has been passed, why are Fairfax, Shorten, Milne all saying it's a toxic budget that won't be passed and requires re writing.
Either you are bending the facts or they are.

Bintang · 20 August 2014

sptrawler said:
If 98% of the budget has been passed, why are Fairfax, Shorten, Milne all saying it's a toxic budget that won't be passed and requires re writing.
Either you are bending the facts or they are.

What does 98% even mean?
What is it measuring - number of pages of budget documents? Number of budget items passed?
What is the relative budgetary impact of that part of the budget which hasn't been passed?
It might be much larger than 2%.

noco · 20 August 2014

sptrawler said:
Well we certainly hope the Chinese aren't that bloody minded, we suspended exports to Indonesia on the strengh of a t.v programme. I think they could send us into a fiscal depression in months, if they chose to do so.
It may sound tough and ockerish to kick sand in the big guys face, but don't cry when he bashes you.lol

Start and act like grown ups, springs to mind.
Palmer, Shorten, Milne etc really need to settle down and think about our national interest, rather than having a tag team wrestling match against Abbott.
It may make Fairfax circulation and share price improve, but it all does little to help our fiscal situation.

The LNP has been elected to make decissions, whether Palmer and Co agree or not, they should be judged at the next election.
Same as Labor/ Greens were at the last election.

SP, this may just well be a tactic to bring down the Abbott Government......Palmer may have it in mind to upset the Chinese in the hope that it will send the Abbott Government into a fiscal depression.

Who knows what this scum bag has in mind....he is so unpredictable.

The sooner he is out of the picture the better most people will like it and I believe it won't be too long.

I really don't believe the Chinese are that stupid to fall for such neurotic antics by one stupid Australian.

I am also sure behind the scenes Julie Bishop would have spoken to the Chinese Ambassador in Canberra about this whole sordid affair.

Palmer is more an embarrassment to himself than to Australia.

SirRumpole · 20 August 2014

Bintang said:
What does 98% even mean?
What is it measuring - number of pages of budget documents? Number of budget items passed?
What is the relative budgetary impact of that part of the budget which hasn't been passed?
It might be much larger than 2%.

See below

Treasury sinks budget crisis talk

TREASURY figures have punctured claims of a crisis over the passage of the federal budget, *revealing that 98.9 per cent of *expense measures are already legislated despite a savage political fight over a handful of reforms.

Parliament has passed more than $1.8 trillion in expense items for the next four years, according to an official analysis that shows hundreds of policy decisions are already in force, while a few face a Senate veto.

The Australian can reveal that $15 billion in savings are already taking effect to improve the budget bottom line following the passage of appropriations bills.

The Treasury figures cast new light on the brawl over the budget as Tony Abbott confronts claims that he cannot get essential measures through the parliament.

As talks continue with crossbench senators to pass the most contentious reforms, Joe Hockey said he was prepared to negotiate with “sensible people” but stood by the overall plan to cut outlays and reduce debt.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann hardened the message on the budget last night by declaring there was “ample time” to legislate the changes, saying no recent government had passed all of its budget changes by the end of August.

Senator Cormann also opened a new front in the fight over the fairness of the budget by warning that the greater injustice would be to deepen the deficit and leave a growing debt burden for the next generation.

more at...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...dget-crisis-talk/story-fn59nsif-1227029980625

So, who is bending the facts ? Me, the Greens, the Government, the Treasury or The Australian ?

noco · 20 August 2014

SirRumpole said:
There are multiple definitions of "national interest" aren't there ?

It comes down to the age old question of whether the Senate should give the government a blank cheque, especially when most of the items in question never had a mandate because they were never mentioned before the election.

98% of the budget has been passed according to reports, so it's now up to Abbott and co to negotiate the rest through, like Gillard had to do with her legislation.

Rumpy, you are off topic.....the thread is about Palmer....but then again I guess you can't resist to bring in your criticism of Abbott Government whenever you can.

noco · 20 August 2014

SirRumpole said:
See below

So, who is bending the facts ? Me, the Greens, the Government, the Treasury or The Australian ?

There you go again Rumpy...you are off topic.......read top man....it states.....RE: HAS CLIVE PALMER GONE LOCO?

drsmith · 20 August 2014

Not only off topic but wrong.

SirRumpole said:
98% of the budget has been passed according to reports, so it's now up to Abbott and co to negotiate the rest through, like Gillard had to do with her legislation.

The Labor-Green cabal that was the Gillard government had a majority in the Senate.

SirRumpole · 20 August 2014

noco said:
There you go again Rumpy...you are off topic.......read top man....it states.....RE: HAS CLIVE PALMER GONE LOCO?

A political thread is always going to go off topic sometime, besides I was just responding to posts that other people made.

Nice try trying to get people to "look over there", when the complete farce is Abbott and Hockey screaming about the Senate blocking a few of their "savings" when they have got 98% of their measures through.

It shows that the government is incapable of negotiation and are simply trying to bully people because they don't want to back down and get a few red faces.

SirRumpole · 20 August 2014

drsmith said:
Not only off topic but wrong.

The Labor-Green cabal that was the Gillard government had a majority in the Senate.

But not in the Reps, they had to rely on Windsor, Oakeshott and Wilke.

drsmith · 20 August 2014

Clive Palmer neglects his parliamentary committee responsibilities,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-20/clive-palmer-under-fire-over-economics-committee/5684320

One can at least be partially understanding today. He's inspired one of his pussycats into some ongoing hissing that now includes Indonesia.

On Tuesday PUP's defence spokeswoman, Ms Lambie, said Australia would not have the resources to stop a Chinese communist invasion.

A day later she suggested Indonesia was also a threat.

"Whether it's a communist Chinese invasion or whether it's an invasion from Indonesia or anybody else, all I am saying is our defence forces are depleted and we need to do something about it," she said.

"This is what's bothering me."

After Uncle Clive's walkout this morning on ABC Perth 720 over questions about Jacquie Lambie's comments, one would have thought he would have been on the blower. If he has, it hasn't had much effect.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-...-from-jacqui-lambie-comments-on-china/5684400

drsmith · 20 August 2014

SirRumpole said:
But not in the Reps, they had to rely on Windsor, Oakeshott and Wilke.

Wrong again.

They too were part of pact that formed the Gillard government.

Let's please keep this thread on topic.

sptrawler · 20 August 2014

SirRumpole said:
See below

So, who is bending the facts ? Me, the Greens, the Government, the Treasury or The Australian ?

Well in relation to what I said.

Fairfax, Shorten, Milne all saying it's a toxic budget that won't be passed and requires re writing.
Either you are bending the facts or they are.

You are, who mentioned the Government, the treasury or the Australian.

However on reading the article, obviously Fairfax, Shorten and Milne are just as guilty, as you.

Looks like you are all full of BS.

SirRumpole · 20 August 2014

sptrawler said:
Well in relation to what I said.

Fairfax, Shorten, Milne all saying it's a toxic budget that won't be passed and requires re writing.
Either you are bending the facts or they are.

You are, who mentioned the Government, the treasury or the Australian.

However on reading the article, obviously Fairfax, Shorten and Milne are just as guilty, as you.

Looks like you are all full of BS.

I suggest you take it up with the Treasury or the Australian.

I'm sure they are in dire need of your undoubted expertise.

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