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Green groups funded by the CIA ?

Does anyone believe that ?
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-20/palmer-says-green-groups-funded-by-cia/3901920?WT.svl=news0

Mining magnate Clive Palmer has accused the United States government of funding environmental group Greenpeace via the CIA to undermine Australia's coal mining sector.

Mr Palmer made the extraordinary claim over Greenpeace's plan to use the court system to tie up coal mining applications.

He is angry at Greenpeace's plan to use lawyers to thwart future coal mining projects and claims funding is coming from US environmental charity the Rockefeller Foundation.

He alleges it is funded by the CIA and says it is trying to harm Australia's industry and help American interests.

Mr Palmer referred to a paper produced by environmental group Greenpeace which calls for action to stop the expansion of the Queensland coal industry.

Greenpeace's plans were leaked to the media earlier this month as it organises a campaign to raise $6 million to fund legal battles against controversial coal mining projects across Australia.

"You only have to go back and read the Church Report in the 1970s and to read the reports to the US Congress which sets up the Rockefeller Foundation as a conduit of CIA funding," he said.

"You only have to look at their secret budget which was passed by Congress last year, bigger than our whole national economy, which the CIA's got to ensure that.

"You only have to read the reports to US Congress when the CIA reported to the president that their role was to ensure the US competitive advantage and economic advantages.

"That's how you know it's funded by the CIA."

Mr Palmer says Greenpeace should be under far greater scrutiny.

"If you've got anyone funding directly, political parties funding lawyers to obstruct our laws in this country, it's something you should be ashamed of," he said.

This is a serious matter indeed because it goes to the political independence of all Australians.
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He then picked out veteran Greens campaigner Drew Hutton.

"Drew Hutton is a tool of the US government and Rockefeller, and so are the Greens; everything they say. It's as simple as that," Mr Palmer said.

"I think the Greens in this coming state election, all their candidates should resign if they are being funded by an offshore political power," Mr Palmer said.

"It is tantamount to treason. Something needs to be done about it."
'Bizarre'

Mr Hutton, who was consulted in the document by Greenpeace, says there is no money from the Rockefeller Foundation.

"I have no idea where he got that amount of money from," Mr Hutton said.

"Certainly there's no amount of money that I'm aware of that's come to my organisation, or for that matter any organisation that I'm aware of, by the Rockefeller Foundation or anybody else.

"(This is) the first I've ever been accused of having any links with the CIA, I can assure you."

He says Mr Palmer's claims are bizarre.

"I just think that's a bridge too far," Mr Hutton said.

"I don't even understand the argument, to tell you the truth."

Federal Greens leader Bob Brown says Mr Palmer is a major donor to the Liberal National Party (LNP) and the party should distance itself from him.

"They should disown these comments," Senator Brown said.

In a statement, Greenpeace senior campaigner John Hepburn rejected Mr Palmer's comments as "ludicrous".

He said Greenpeace would not accept money from any government, corporation or secret service.
Court action

Mr Palmer is active politically and within the courts system.

One of the Coalition's biggest financial donors and a member of the Liberal National Party, Mr Palmer last week announced his companies were preparing legal action based on advice the Government's carbon tax legislation was unconstitutional.

But he will not be joining into any High Court action to stop the Federal Government's mining tax despite saying it is bad for the economy.

"It probably won't cost me anything because I'm not mining anything that comes under the classification of it," he said.

But Mr Palmer is set to sue international hotel operator Hyatt for $60 million over its management of the Sunshine Coast Hyatt resort, which Mr Palmer owns.

The magnate is alleging the company has been siphoning profits from the resort and sending the money to the US rather than the resort's owners.
 

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A quotation by Bertrand Russell gives his interpretation of megalomania: "The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes to be powerful rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved. To this type belong many lunatics and most of the great men of history."[5]

Early Freudianism

Russell's near-contemporary, Sigmund Freud, freely used the same term in a comparable way. Referring with respect to an adult neurotic to 'the omnipotence which he ascribed to his thoughts and feelings', Freud reckoned that 'this belief is a frank acknowledgement of a relic of the old megalomania of infancy'.[6] Similarly Freud concluded that 'we can detect an element of megalomania in most other forms of paranoic disorder. We are justified in assuming that this megalomania is essentially of an infantile nature and that, as development proceeds, it is sacrificed to social considerations'.[7]

Just a guess but, you get the idea.
 

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I've got a feeling the Clive Palmer story is not going to end well. It's going to be a ripper read when it is written down and published but it's not going to end well. Alan Bond was once a billionaire too. I wonder if Paul Barry is starting to do his research on Palmer.
 
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I've got a feeling the Clive Palmer story is not going to end well.

While I don't wish anyone ill health, Clive Palmer is about 50kgs overweight in his 50's and has already had a heart attack. I have a feeling the story will end rather soon, unless he can improve his health.

That being said, I wonder if the cholesterol is blocking the arteries to his head because some of his recent ranting has been bizarre. He's in bed with the reds but he constantly rabbits on about dictatorships, freedom of speech etc.
 
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Has Clive Palmer gone loco? No I don't think so. He is just using the same sort of spin and making similar far-fetched accusations as Gillard and Bligh do when they are rubbishing Abbott and Newman.
 

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It's just occurred to me, after reading today's fairfax markets live blog, that the Chinese may have implanted some kind of thought control chip into Palmer's head. That would explain the anti-US conspiracy theory propaganda.
 
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Gordo pero no loco. He is just enjoying it. For freedom ofspeech
A psychiatric is not required.
 
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While I don't wish anyone ill health, Clive Palmer is about 50kgs overweight in his 50's and has already had a heart attack. I have a feeling the story will end rather soon, unless he can improve his health.

That being said, I wonder if the cholesterol is blocking the arteries to his head because some of his recent ranting has been bizarre. He's in bed with the reds but he constantly rabbits on about dictatorships, freedom of speech etc.

Clive or Gina? She's a big girl too.
 

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Since all we get is the one wacky soundbite here is the rest of his rant:

Mining magnate Clive Palmer has accused the Australian Greens and Queensland environmental campaigners of “treason” in conspiring with US powers to destroy the nation’s coal industry.

Mr Palmer was expected to give his response to the passing of the Gillard government’s mining tax at a media conference called this afternoon, but the multi-billionaire was concerned only with perceived collusion between the United States’ Central Intelligence Agency and the environmental lobby.

Mr Palmer turned his attention to a report by Greenpeace and other anti-coal groups, titled Stopping the Australian Coal Export Boom, which outlined an environmental campaign designed to disrupt and delay the expansion of the industry.

While brandishing a copy of the report this afternoon, Mr Palmer said it was the result of a CIA conspiracy involving the US-based Rockefeller Foundation.

“This is funded by the CIA,” he said.

“You only have to go back and read … the reports to the US Congress that sets up the Rockefeller Foundation as a conduit of CIA funding.

“You only have to look at the secret budget which was passed by Congress last year – bigger than our whole national economy – with the CIA to ensure that.

“You only have to read the reports to US Congress where the CIA reported to the president that their role was to ensure the US competitive advantage – that’s how you know it’s funded by the CIA.”

Mr Palmer argued descendants of US oil magnate John Rockefeller had bankrolled the report, in a bid to disrupt and damage the Australian coal industry.

He went on to say that the document confirmed local environmental campaigners, including Lock the Gate Alliance president Drew Hutton and Greens leader Bob Brown, were improperly collaborating with foreign multinationals.

“The Greens have not been providing you with the full information about where their money comes from or what it’s about,” he said.

“I think the Greens [candidates] in this upcoming state election … should resign if they’re being funded by an offshore political power.

“It’s paramount [sic] to treason and something needs to be done about it.”

Mr Palmer made little mention of mining tax legislation, passed last night in the Senate, saying he had no concern with it.

“I don’t care about any tax. It won’t affect my life one way or the other,” he said.

Mr Palmer said the controversial tax, which aims to distribute the spoils of Australia’s mining boom, would have no affect on his businesses.

“It probably won’t cost me anything, because I’m not mining anything that comes under the classification of it. So, you know, it’s not something that’s worried me,” he said.

Mr Palmer said he would not join Australia’s third largest iron ore miner, Fortescue Metals, owned by Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest, in mounting a legal challenge.

“Certainly Andrew Forrest has indicated he’ll do that – he has major concerns with it, because it affects him, affects his business and affects the ability of his workers,” Mr Palmer said.
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So will be interested on the follow up of said document.
He went on to say that the document confirmed local environmental campaigners, including Lock the Gate Alliance president Drew Hutton and Greens leader Bob Brown, were improperly collaborating with foreign multinationals.

Still a massive stretch from old Clive regarding CIA but wasnt Mark Arbib a US informant:D

Wouldn't let me quote tag wall of text
 
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Two fat capitalist pigs.

The images of Palmer and Reinhart should be used to promote the mining super profits tax.
 
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The so-called resources super profits tax (or MRRT in it's current form) will end up being another disaster for Labor.

This limited agreement with the three big miners will just result in the resource rich states cranking up their royalties and lots of angst between those states and the feds.

Sound perhaps in principal, but poorly implemented in practice.
 

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Two fat capitalist pigs.

The images of Palmer and Reinhart should be used to promote the mining super profits tax.

I am of wide girth and I am not a capitalist, nor a pig.

Be careful with your language.

There are many union, ALP beneficiaries and Ambassadors to Washington who are " fat ".

Pick on them.

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The so-called resources super profits tax (or MRRT in it's current form) will end up being another disaster for Labor.

This limited agreement with the three big miners will just result in the resource rich states cranking up their royalties and lots of angst between those states and the feds.

Sound perhaps in principal, but poorly implemented in practice.

Maybe a better method would be a surcharge on dividends paid by mining companies
 
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A better method would have been to consult more broadly with the resource industry and the states. While there would have still been the usual argy bargy between the parties, the shortcomings of the original RSPT and the current MRRT would more likely have been overcome.
 
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