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Re: The transition to Futures trading

Folks, for the life of me, I cannot understand why people cannot disagree in good faith and still engage in a constructive discussion without personal attacks, accusations and people announcing they are leaving ASF for good.

Even if two people can't find any common ground, it is still easy to add someone to your ignore list and move on.

Surely if we treat each other with a basic level of courtesy and respect at all times this sort of thing can be avoided?
The psychology aspect is interesting, more so than the content.

What do we have:

- intraday == technical only
- a swag of practitioners all adhering to different methodologies
- the religious zealots who cannot understand how any methodology other than their's has a chance
- the self appointed champions, offering their ádvice'
- the concentration on live and $'s won as opposed to good entries and good trade management - nothing on here is live - ever.
- needy personalities who demand attention
- the wanabees, that are being pulled every which way

Add these together and you have what you have, well your looking at it.

Zero educational benefit, stress overload, more and more grandstanding.

When compared to other forums where the commentary is focused on a particular methodology, and everybody is pulling the same way, the bulk of the analysis shown on here is lets say, less focused.

And who in their right mind would want to comment here and risk being dragged into a sh1t fight - why would you bother, it's just a distraction and stress++. would needs it, well clearly some people do.

Just my opinion, don't get upset now.
 
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Re: The transition to Futures trading

The psychology aspect is interesting, more so than the content.

Zero educational benefit, stress overload, more and more grandstanding.
I agree it's very interesting.

It remains that one person will make money using Tom Williams' VSA setups, and another person will make money fading the setups it offers. Now multiply this by every combination of indicator and method out there--it's the same deal; one will take the setup, and another will fade it. So who is right?..They both are, and at the same time who gives a sh!t. There are a glut of ways to make money from the market, but only one right mindset.

Websites and threads like this, whether initially intended or not, serve to cultivate the right mindset in those susceptible to it. Espousing with vigor the system/indicator/method, or your spin on it, is territoriality. In this context, the motives behind posturing are blatantly transparent--and, at worst, it serves to miss the point entirely.
 

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Re: The transition to Futures trading

- intraday == technical only
- a swag of practitioners all adhering to different methodologies
- the religious zealots who cannot understand how any methodology other than their's has a chance
- the self appointed champions, offering their ádvice'
- the concentration on live and $'s won as opposed to good entries and good trade management - nothing on here is live - ever.
- needy personalities who demand attention
- the wanabees, that are being pulled every which way

Add these together and you have what you have, well your looking at it.

Zero educational benefit, stress overload, more and more grandstanding.
Ah but that is pure individual perception. Everyone can be learned from but they may not be serving your interest in what they have to say. Some people are sensitive while others can take criticism with a grain of salt. It can be thankless sharing knowledge on forums as people want to read only which is fair enough. I respond to anyone who's posts are directed at me. It is acknowledgement of the time someone has given.
 

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Re: The transition to Futures trading

Joe, I have created this thread, put my neck on the line with live trades, spent hours of time providing in-depth analysis for the sake of beneficial conversation.

I am more than happy to agree to disagree with people. What I do not appreciate is blatent trolling, belittling myself and my trading methodology in a personal way.

Maybe the ignore list is an option as you said.
Your thread is very good Pav and you are one of the best examples of why people should SIM (I was never going to say this on your thread to avoid a hijack)and your commentary 1st rate.

Unfortunately some turn up to have p1$$ing contests and as mentioned egos run amok.

The market beats us all up as we ride the roller coaster of profit / losses we cannot measure ourselves against this or let it dictate our moods any more than measure our selves from some one else's opinion typed onto a screen.

I know easier said than done, keep up the posting as I said your thread is very good.
 
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Just my opinion, don't get upset now.
Who gave you permission to have your own opinion?

Unfortunately I must confess to having a very big ego and not always exercising an appropriate level of restraint in my postings. However, the sharing of diverse philosophical viewpoints with others, whether they be related to trading or other aspects of our lives can often arouse the ego.

Much as I admire the diplomatic skills demonstrated by many on this forum, I regretfully don't happen to share their saintly patience. Provided that things aren't allowed to run too far amok, unrestrained egos can at times spark an increased activity level in threads which can be recognisably beneficial to the health of the debate.
 
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Who gave you permission to have your own opinion?

Unfortunately I must confess to having a very big ego and not always exercising an appropriate level of restraint in my postings. However, the sharing of diverse philosophical viewpoints with others, whether they be related to trading or other aspects of our lives can often arouse the ego.

Much as I admire the diplomatic skills demonstrated by many on this forum, I regretfully don't happen to share their saintly patience. Provided that things aren't allowed to run too far amok, unrestrained egos can at times spark an increased activity level in threads which can be recognisably beneficial to the health of the debate.
I have never noticed your posts being saturated with too much ego Cynic:)

In my experience, the most valuable Egos are those which have been hard earned, yet are sparingly paraded in public;)
 
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I have lately tried to post a bit more and be less passive; Did this add value, or am I just adding noise?
All opinions welcome
 

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I have lately tried to post a bit more and be less passive; Did this add value, or am I just adding noise?
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Much appreciated, qldfrog. Always find your remarks interesting. Do keep it up.:)
 
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If we all had the same opinion, the world would be boring!


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I have lately tried to post a bit more and be less passive; Did this add value, or am I just adding noise?
All opinions welcome
qldfrog, your contributions are both welcome and appreciated. They most certainly add value. Thank you for taking the time to post more.

The amount of posts per day has been on the increase in the last week or so, and it is gratifying to see. More posts inevitably leads to more discussion, which usually leads to more lurkers registering and contributing. Active communities are always more successful in attracting new members, so a big thank you to all those who have been posting more recently! :xyxthumbs
 

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I have lately tried to post a bit more and be less passive; Did this add value, or am I just adding noise?
All opinions welcome
Actually made the effort to open a thread and read it because I saw you posted..........thanks
 

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The amount of posts per day has been on the increase in the last week or so, and it is gratifying to see. More posts inevitably leads to more discussion, which usually leads to more lurkers registering and contributing. Active communities are always more successful in attracting new members, so a big thank you to all those who have been posting more recently! :xyxthumbs
A big thank you also to ASF's regular posters, for their efforts in generating interesting discussions and keeping the forums active. :)
 
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Actually made the effort to open a thread and read it because I saw you posted..........thanks
Yes!!
Sometimes, I open a thread and read it because I see who has posted.
Other times, it is the topic which catches my eye!

Occasionally, I get a surprise to the upside!! :)
 

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The most disappointing part of this thread and most other threads on this forum is that there is never a shortage of people lining up to have a crack at someone else.

The snark is well and truly in force. I considered using craft's "Tactless" thread to highlight some of the snark on this forum, but realised that it's so disproportionate that it's a massive waste of (my) time.

Frankly, I have pretty much had enough. I've bitten my tongue for so long there's nothing left but blood.

If you want a forum left, and trust me, people have and will leave, for ****s sake, be nicer to each other.
 
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The most disappointing part of this thread and most other threads on this forum is that there is never a shortage of people lining up to have a crack at someone else.

The snark is well and truly in force. I considered using craft's "Tactless" thread to highlight some of the snark on this forum, but realised that it's so disproportionate that it's a massive waste of (my) time.

Frankly, I have pretty much had enough. I've bitten my tongue for so long there's nothing left but blood.

If you want a forum left, and trust me, people have and will leave, for ****s sake, be nicer to each other.
You're absolutely right! People who spruik their gambling habit, lie about their qualifications, and chastise people for being emotionally attached to money only to be so himself should be the forefront poster pin-up boys of the forum.

Block anyone you dont like, only read the threads and posts you have an interest in, and for fu<k$ sake dont swear if you are trying to make a point.


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pinkboy said:
Block anyone you dont like, only read the threads and posts you have an interest in, and for fu<k$ sake dont swear if you are trying to make a point.
I apologise for subjecting you to a curse word.

I don't have a problem with any one in particular. What I do have a problem with is pointless snark that more often and not appears where there is really no need for it. Ignoring it or living in a bubble of my own as if the problem doesn't exist won't make it go away.

My greatest sadness in terms of society is that everyone is capable of quality output, but unfortunately it is much easier to criticise others and for instance use the anonymity of the internet to throw around as much harshness as you please (the thread in question is now over 4 pages long - I feel aggravated that it really takes so many people to state the obvious in such scathing tones). I mean it's now clear that they are putting down a person with a "gambling addiction" and some unnamed "sickness". There are nicer ways of dealing with the situation. An eye for an eye doesn't usually solve any problems, it just creates more.

My greatest concern is that some of the people who have decried the declining quality and lack of pleasantness in the posts on this forum in the past are the same people who go out of their way to comment in those types of threads, and offer little in the way of actual investment talk.

I would prefer that people were given the chance to actually communicate with each other, than set up even more needless barriers (ie. the ignore system) and scathing messages.
 

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If it wasn't for " Tollbridge Financial Services "
I'd agree with you.
He has more problems than gambling
 
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