Zaxon
The voice of reason
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And is that for money you'll need in the medium term, or to smooth longer term returns?Yes, i bought some Bond exposure last week - first time.
I think that's a risk most P2P investors don't realize. If the P2P company itself goes bust, what happens then? That happened in China. People lost a lot of money.P2P at 6-8% yield has to play a part in any cash yield strategy, its simply a matter of what the individual is comfortable with risk wise, eyes wide open cos it's 100% loss risk.
As a medium term investor, there's pretty much always something each month that I've sold anyway, so I would naturally have the cash flow to do that. Buy-and-holders would have to sell down.Liquidating every month, and choosing which particular stock needs to be liquidated next, could be a pain.
You can do an off-market transfer, but it is a capital gains event.If you're intending to leave something for your family then they can keep those shares in the market (transferred into their name - which I think is usually possible)
I'm not sure if they have harps and angels planned for me. I haven't checked latelyif market is in a serious downturn at moment you leave for harp lessons with the angels.
I certainly like the idea of swapping cash for shares. As long as you're only withdrawing a small amount of your portfolio, it's the highest growth idea by far.i am more confident to swap cash for shares, so to speak, ie shares are the new cash, keeping your "cash" in shares would also serve to protect against any bail in event, (in a crisis i dont trust the gov re the depositor guarantee
Gold's actually done amazingly well this year. GOLD ETF is up 18.41% over the 1 yr, so it's actually outperformed the ASX.Small % in Gold could act as a wealth preservation means as well. However it doesn't pay a dividend or any form of distribution so things like shares high interest savings accounts and TD's are better options.
Yes. That's a real problem. HISAs are really an "insurance policy": something that costs you real growth, for the guarantee of stability. The question comes how much "insurance" do you need?Problem with 'high' interest savings accounts is, is it really high at the moment? Is 1% really high ? Does it even keep up with inflation, or are you (savers/retirees) going backwards ?
Yes Zaxon, a very good point about a liquid (cash like) asset that can give you a buffer for at least 6 months. It's not something everyone has saved up, but if you can be a little frugal, you can live for 6 months on a smallish chunk of cash which depends on personal circumstances such as single/family; mortgage/no mortgage etc. This is what is called the 'mojo account' by the barefoot investor:Gold's actually done amazingly well this year. GOLD ETF is up 18.41% over the 1 yr, so it's actually outperformed the ASX.
Yes. That's a real problem. HISAs are really an "insurance policy": something that costs you real growth, for the guarantee of stability. The question comes how much "insurance" do you need?
1) Access to the share market: (1 week). The share market doesn't have to open tomorrow, but I've never known it to be closed more than a few days.
2) Find your next job: (3-6 months). So if you lose your job tomorrow, how long until you find another?
3) Until the share market recovers: (7 years). Often a figure given to allow for a crashed market to recover.
Personally, I think 7 years of cash is a huge opportunity cost. But there will be some people who would want that level of protection. I can see 6 months in cash as being reasonable though.
A lot depends on your situation, if you are retired in your 60's and the market takes a gfc hit the last thing you want is to be selling your shares to fund your compulsory draw down.Personally, I think 7 years of cash is a huge opportunity cost. But there will be some people who would want that level of protection. I can see 6 months in cash as being reasonable though.
Yup. We have around a 6 months safety fund, which as you say, comes from a bit of frugal living. That comes out of one salary. We try and live off one salary, while the other all go into investing.Yes Zaxon, a very good point about a liquid (cash like) asset that can give you a buffer for at least 6 months. It's not something everyone has saved up, but if you can be a little frugal, you can live for 6 months on a smallish chunk of cash
I invest in chocolate each week. I'm pretty sure that's a valid investment. However, it does seem to get eaten (I'm presuming by inflation).extra money can be put into less liquid assets like wine etc.
That's a good point. Recently, one of my shares went into a trading halt for a month. Needless to say, I wasn't impressed. Had I needed to cash out, I have other shares. But if that had been a weak performing stock that I was looking to sell, I would have lost control over the timing.Shares are the easiest to liquidate but still not as good as cash since companies can go into long-drawn 'Trading Halts' etc when you need the money fast.
Very good point. Wage coming in vs a retirement drawdown can change the balance. Financial planners have this 90% in stocks when you're 25, trailing down to 50% when you retire idea. And that make sense for some people. But I can also see staying fully invested in the market can make sense.A lot depends on your situation, if you are retired in your 60's and the market takes a gfc hit the last thing you want is to be selling your shares to fund your compulsory draw down.
For sure. I read in another forum, a guy who retired with several million dollars saying he only used term deposits simply because he didn't need any extra money. On the other hand, if you retired with 500k and your life expectancy is 30+ years, you might want to aggressively invest during retirement, to try and keep the balance building.the mix will depend a lot,on the capital at your disposal.
OK. So no bonds? They don't seem to be popular based on people who have contributed to this thread so far.Since retiring 8 years ago, I have about 30%cash, 60% shares, 10% property.
I'd agree that P2P lending is the same category as bonds, or more particularly, corporate bonds. Some risk; higher interest rates. Now all we need is a P2P lending ETF, where you could trade in and out of it at will. I don't see that as likely, but I think it would be very attractive to a lot of people if it did.I don’t own any bonds (except for rate setter loans, which are “bond like”)
How so?But, learning about bonds definitely made me a better equity investor.
He only addresses stocks vs 30 year bonds in this video, which I think we all agree on. The question I'm posing is more for medium periods. But thinking of what Buffett has said on bonds, he recommends his heirs hold 10% in short-term treasuries, and 90% in stock. I've always thought short-treasuries equate more to term deposits and high interest savings accounts: modest/low interest rates, but very secure.Buffett on bonds.
How so?
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