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SirRumpole said:
It's just a repetition of a pattern that has been going on for a while. We cream England 5-0 in Australia, but we don't do well in their conditions. We cream India 4-0 in Australia, but they do us by the same margin in India.

Fact is we play at home more than we do in England so we have trouble adjusting to their conditions. The examples I've given above indicate that other teams are in the same boat when it comes to wining away from home. No one is to blame, it's just the way it is, and I remember that Cook was under the same criticism during their last debacle in Australia as Clarke is now.
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I agree.

Although 60 is a bit of a shock it boils down to the fact that the England bowlers were just too good on the morning. An ideal storm for them. The bowling was spot on, England fielding was the best it's been for a long time (they did not drop a catch) and Australia did not have the techniques required to weather the storm.

What is needed is for more Australian Test players to play more in England,, India etc to get used to the local conditions.
 
Australia was hopeless but that was a pitch that was always going to cause trouble for the team batting first. We really should've declared at 7/34 and given England half an hour with the clouds and the green. I think we would have gotten 3-4 quick wickets.

WTF was Clarke doing swinging at that ball. Even a 7 year old knows that's a leave. Clarke is not a captain, he's a great batsman, but Michael Clarke goes out and hits 100 when Michael Clarke wants to go out and hit 100. Tugger or AB would have stuck around for the team.

Looks like I picked the best test to have gone over for (Lords).:D
 
Australia's rejection of a serious red ball cricket season , namely the Sheffield Shield has come back to bight us on the A$$. The Shield season has become a joke , with influence of one day cricket and the 20 / 20 Big Bash .
It's all for the short attention span, slash and run money spinner entertainment circus. 50 over cricket still has it's place , but as the experts warned a few years back 20/20 will be the undoing of many.
To top this off ( as in my previous rants ) stack the National Team with NSW born duds headed by the Clarke and should be retired has been's and the rest is history. Instead of chasing the millions in the 20/20 's during the off season , we need players willing to spend their days in English County Cricket .
 
Michael Clarke has resigned as Captain.

If you saw him on tv straight after the game, being interviewed by Shane Warne, you'll think..about time. Graceless, and asking on air for a job at Ch 9.

Should have stood down, and handed over to Steve Smith before the Ashes tour, but too selfish. Let Smithy take them to Bangladesh eh Michael.
 
Logique said:
Michael Clarke has resigned as Captain.

If you saw him on tv straight after the game, being interviewed by Shane Warne, you'll think..about time. Graceless, and asking on air for a job at Ch 9.

Should have stood down, and handed over to Steve Smith before the Ashes tour, but too selfish. Let Smithy take them to Bangladesh eh Michael.
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It's a pity that some are very quick to tear down Michael Clarke, who at his peak was one of our great batsmen.

To go out at the low point of his career is a lot less than he deserved after reaching the heights that he has.

No doubt his chronic back problem contributed to his demise, the fear of aggravating it probably forced him to change his technique to his detriment.

Sad to see him go this way.
 
SirRumpole said:
It's a pity that some are very quick to tear down Michael Clarke, who at his peak was one of our great batsmen.

To go out at the low point of his career is a lot less than he deserved after reaching the heights that he has.

No doubt his chronic back problem contributed to his demise, the fear of aggravating it probably forced him to change his technique to his detriment.

Sad to see him go this way.
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I agree, it's a shame he couldn't have gone on and resigned on a win at least,
This will hang over him forever now and overshadow all the good he did.
 
MrBurns said:
I agree, it's a shame he couldn't have gone on and resigned on a win at least,
This will hang over him forever now and overshadow all the good he did.
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He had enough wins to go out on a High; but as happens too often, succession planning is ignored and the old Peters Principle assures that a leader is recalled until even his staunchest fans can no longer deny that he has slipped to an unsustainable level of incompetence.
Examples abound all across the Sports World. Very few exceptions come to mind, usually when a serious injury forces one's hand. Compare the most recent two "retirements" at Carlton FC.
 
Logique said:
Michael Clarke has resigned as Captain.

If you saw him on tv straight after the game, being interviewed by Shane Warne, you'll think..about time. Graceless, and asking on air for a job at Ch 9.

Should have stood down, and handed over to Steve Smith before the Ashes tour, but too selfish. Let Smithy take them to Bangladesh eh Michael.
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It was obvious after the Bingle fiasco, the other players, were unhappy with him. He has always been a management favourite, not so much a team favourite. IMO
 
sptrawler said:
It was obvious after the Bingle fiasco, the other players, were unhappy with him. He has always been a management favourite, not so much a team favourite. IMO
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I think the Katich fiasco hurt him more with the team than the Bingle bungle, which was a private matter. Getting Katich thrown out of the team when he was a successful opener showed that Clarke put his position as captain above the team. He badly mishandled that fiasco.

But still he has had his successes with the team, winning twice as many tests than he lost, which overall is not a bad record.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think the Katich fiasco hurt him more with the team than the Bingle bungle, which was a private matter. Getting Katich thrown out of the team when he was a successful opener showed that Clarke put his position as captain above the team. He badly mishandled that fiasco.

But still he has had his successes with the team, winning twice as many tests than he lost, which overall is not a bad record.
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I don't question his ability, just whether his likeability is at the same level, respect is a funny thing.
 
sptrawler said:
I don't question his ability, just whether his likeability is at the same level, respect is a funny thing.
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It is indeed. Likeability isn't always required for a captain, but respect is. Shane Warne didn't like Steve Waugh or Adam Gilchrist but they played well as a team. Success is what gets respect.
 
SirRumpole said:
It is indeed. Likeability isn't always required for a captain, but respect is. Shane Warne didn't like Steve Waugh or Adam Gilchrist but they played well as a team. Success is what gets respect.
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Very true, but as with Kim Hughes, success is difficult for a captain and or coach, without the respect of the team.

Allan Border showed what grit a determination can do for a team, when he reluctantly inherited the Australian team, post the glory days of Lillie, Thompson, Marsh etc.

The team appeared to respond well to Smith as captain, time moves on, everyone becomes irrelevant.
 
It's funny how we get wound up by "the flannelled fools at the wicket or the muddied oafs at the goals". :D
 

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