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robusta said:
................. we went through a period not dissimilar to the the present. Not only were the Pom's thrashing us I seem to remember us getting beaten by the Kiwi's!!!
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There is a difference between then and now. We were playing predominately Shield and tests in those days with the odd one day games. The batsmen were then taught and practised batting for the long version of the game.

Now we play mostly one day and 20/20 games with the odd test games thrown in. Most of our test players do not play Shield games so the tests are the only 5 day experience they get. Our batsmen have been going out playing typical one day type shots while the Poms are playing 5 day game shots.

While our players are predominately one day and 20/20 players (particularly with the concentration on earning money in the silly Indian circus) we will never produce batsmen at test standards because they don't know how to bat the 5 day style.

sptrawler said:
It appears to me that Clarke doesn't have the same respect from the players, he enjoys from management.:xyxthumbs
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Yep, we need another captain grumpy or a Steve Waugh or Ian Chappel style captain.

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Country Lad
 
The problem I see is Cricket Australia is in bed with Cricket NSW. Look at the current team and players that have been dropped due to poor performance. They are nearly all born and bred players from NSW and still play for that State or are born in NSW but now represent another State.
Clarke who I believe is a poor captain has had some influence for sure making certain these NSW players get picked before any other interstate rivals.
It sort of reminds me of the same thing that happened years ago in the NRL and thus State of Origin was born from this similar situation. NSW players in the NRL were almost always picked to represent Australia. NSW NRL admin used to try and steal good players from Qld and call them their own. No wonder we cracked up !!
So here we have poorly performing cricketers playing for Australia while many better ones sit at home watching it on TV. I'll give a few names here on players originally from NSW or have played for NSW and let you all be the judge on their performance so far. Michael Clarke , Ed Cowan( Born NSW plays for TAS) , Brad Haddin, Dave Warner, Nathan Lyon, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc , Shane Watson ( Born Qld Plays for NSW ), Usman Khawaja ( Plays for NSW born Pakistan , Chris Rogers ( NSW born played mostly WA ), Phil HUghes .
Not a real good effort from the above is it ?
The two best Interstate teams for the last 2 years have been Tasmania and Queensland , why then is the Australian Team stacked with NSW players ?
We have Chris Hartley the best keeper from Qld and players from Tassie like George Bailey( a decent respected Captain) , Alex Doolan, James Faulkner, Jordan Silk, Luke Butterworth and Mark Cosgrove ( one of the best openers in the country and bats in the same punchy style as Boonie ) , Tim Paine, Ben Hilfenhaus plus others .
I think you could send the Tasmanian winning Shield side over there and they would so a far better job than the team of hacks made up of Clarke's mates from NSW :1zhelp:
 
Perhaps they may pick Nathan Lyon next test.He has the best qualifications as a spin bowler in the squad.
Hope springs eternal-even though all is lost.
 
Ijustnewit. The team always seems stacked with NSW players. Maybe the selectors come from there also?
We are finished on this test. Lets hope at least one or two of our batsmen can get over 50 in the second innings and start getting some confidence.
 
Ijustnewit, I hear what you're saying. NSW bias has been a problem for a long while. Brad Hodge, nuff said.

I hope by some miracle we can deny Root a double ton and win the test or - a lesser miracle - manage a draw. Not the least bit confident on any of those fronts though :(
 
I'm 20 mins south of Manchester and the weather is looking pretty rubbish. Think the rain is going to steal our thunder...
 
Well the good news is Watson is injured , the bad news is they will replace him with Hughes another NSW failure. Till they stop picking what is essentially the NSW State Team we will continue to fail.
 
It would have been interesting to see the series result if a few things went differently (ie. Australia's way and not England's way).

Without watching the games, and only looking at the score cards and reading the news you would imagine that there was a massive gulf between these two teams - but honestly, I think a 3-0 series lead to England seriously overstates their dominance.

The only really clear result so far was the second test.
 
It would seem the lack of discipline in the side goes on and it goes to the top.

Australian captain Clarke credited Faulkner's aggression as one of his leading attributes upon his surprise selection at the Oval, and the 23-year-old did not disappoint off the ground with a pointed shot at England's scoring rate of barely two runs per over.

"They chose to bat the way they batted," Faulkner said. "If you are 3-0 up there is no reason you shouldn't try to get 4-0 up. That's their choice. If you face 116 overs for 240 it is a pretty boring day. I know the fans get a refund for their ticket today but maybe they should get a refund for yesterday."
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From 3-0 down, our players are hardly in a position to criticise.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...gland-batsmen-for-go-slow-20130825-2sj88.html
 
Cannot believe how bad our team has performed overnight. Turned it off at 10.30pm

How far do we have to go to get a team of young blood. Our second team in India is doing better.

Never felt confidence in Clarke from day one.
 
It's just a repetition of a pattern that has been going on for a while. We cream England 5-0 in Australia, but we don't do well in their conditions. We cream India 4-0 in Australia, but they do us by the same margin in India.

Fact is we play at home more than we do in England so we have trouble adjusting to their conditions. The examples I've given above indicate that other teams are in the same boat when it comes to wining away from home. No one is to blame, it's just the way it is, and I remember that Cook was under the same criticism during their last debacle in Australia as Clarke is now.
 

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