If most know, why bother?
I have never read so much crap from you guys.
You obviously all live in big cities and never go out and see the "real" world of Australia.
I have never read so much crap from you guys.
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Why don't our more recent migrants, lebanese, afganistanis, pakistanis, indians and sri lankans move into the outback.?
Its no worse than where most of them they came from.(By the way, I have been to those countries.)
The fact is, if we were to do that, they would not come here.
Agree entirely. Nice analogy, Wysiwyg.This transition from the working age people supporting the non-working age people to a self sufficient older age life is not going to be an easy one.
Since "living" became mainly dependent on the coloured paper, it is indeed possible for people to provide for their own living via the compulsory superannuation scheme. It is indeed possible but the grey area is 'what lifestyle'.
This subject does in some way come back to "sleeping in the bed one makes". I strongly suggest that stuffing the pillows with feathers in addition to the compulsory scheme is a prudent act to ensure the bed is not a strip of five ply with foam mattress.
But if you've pulled your funds out of Super, aren't you now paying tax on the earnings plus capital gains, whereas if you'd left them in Super and were in pension phase which obviously you are, you'd not be paying any tax?Nice to see this thread get back to superannuation, where it started.
IMHO I think Super is one of the biggest con-jobs ever foisted on the Australian people. There seems to be a mantra "put more in to Super", even if you are old, grey and retired. For heaven's sake, why? For minimal tax benefits, but to ensure that once it's in that incredibly complex and controlled system, the Government now controls your money. At Government's whim, it can change the tax situation, the withdrawal regulations etc.
And don't forget the big trap, the 15% tax on capital if you die without a dependent (and, no, adult kids don't count). Not to mention the management/accounting fees, be it in a retail or SM Fund
As a practical example, take our situation (self and wife). Retired from full time work 18 years ago, from part-time 13 years ago. At that point had around $750K plus a house. Since then have travelled overseas and interstate on many occasions (2 trips to Europe), updated our cars (currently 2004 Mazda 3, 2007 Suzuki SX4). Did the seachange thing, so new and better house for maybe $50K to make the move. But as we get older, our desire for travel, and our overall expenses seem to decrease, so we spend a lot less. Certainly our health costs have increased, but as we are now entitled to a small asset-tested part-age-pension, we get all the health benefits that go with a pensioner card. Just wish the family dog (who's now a "dog senior") got the same benefits - so far $700 a year in vet bills on average.
Anyway, we still find ourselves with $750K plus a house. I think the gain in value of the house would offset any decline in the purchasing power of the $75K, which got close to $1m before the GFC. Investments roughly 65% equities, 35% cash/fixed deposits.
As for the age pension being reduced or scrapped that's a lot of voters to upset. But it wouldn't surprise me to see the asset test reduced from its current level of $920K or so.
By the way, I pulled out every dollar I had in Super a couple of years back, for reasons given above. Absolutely no regrets. The current ability for over 60's to withdraw tax free is a "window of opportunity" that I didn't intend to miss.
Cheers, badger
It's so good to have an input from someone with such clearly honed perception and excellent command of the language.I have never read so much crap from you guys.
We need a inland state, a state with no coast line, a state where a new city can grow and suck in 2 or 3 million people....sure there's not a lot to inland Australia but the main reason there's nothing there is that there is no inland state...no capital to provide white collar careers and services, no critical mass.
Any superannuation increase will inevitably come from employees take home pay as it has done in the past. Employers will simply reduce pay rises in lieu of extra amounts going to super. This makes absolute sense. It also increases the national savings rate, assuming people do not spend extra outside to compensate. Downside is for lower income earners who lose money they could do with now.
All of my calculations were on a real basis and therefore ignored inflation. Some research has indicated pensioners have a higher inflation rate as they buy less imported goods which have gone down in price (TV's, kitchen goods, iphones, cars - all the stuff we import), but this is still at the margins. Reality is that 9% super for an average earner gives a large lump sum after 40 years.
As for super, I was on the top tax rate for about 14 years. I put as much as I could put into super because I faced a tax rate of 15% instead of 50%. If I took my salary as cash I got $50 net from $100 gross. As super I got $85 net. An immediate 70% return. For some legislative risk and not being able to access until I turn 59, I consider it a bargain. Got a nice nest egg now. In retrospect, best investment decision I made.
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I dimly recall that in my first job, employees transferred "out west" received a "living away from home" bonus, or some type of bonus for "living more than 5 hours from ocean" - maybe all taxpayers should be offered something similar?
There is an existing remote area tax offset
http://www.ato.gov.au/taxprofessionals/content.asp?doc=/content/rebate_zone.html
There is an existing remote area tax offset
http://www.ato.gov.au/taxprofessionals/content.asp?doc=/content/rebate_zone.html
Australia needs 50 million to provide security and opportunity.
I think you may have caught one of these ...Why stop there? In case you have underestimated, how about making it 75 million, just to be safe?
Awww, shucks. Make it a neat 100 million. Rounded figures are easier to deal with....
Posts may be factually incorrect, taken out of context, misinterpreted, or left in the fridge for too long
http://www.thebull.com.au/articles_detail.php?id=9599He said greater publicly-funded health, aged care and related expenditures to support generation X and Y in their retirement years will need to come from a relatively smaller number of workers.
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